Acting like America fights around the globe for freedom, is the biggest lie you’ve fooled yourself into believing.
America has never waged a war that wasn’t out of self interest, or to directly oppose a nation like Russia in fear of falling behind.
The whole “We do it for freedom! Crush the reds!” Was purely propaganda to get the citizenship behind funding and supporting more wars.
@OP: Give it a rest. Your just an opportunist, who cares nothing for the plights of other countries. This is just another excuse for you to be angry for the sake of being angry, and it’s got no place on a Video Game Forum. Since you didn’t get the memo, here’s a heads up. Your 15 minutes of moral outrage expired on Friday.
The young man already got his winnings restored, and he actually posted a statement that he was not angry with Blizzard. Find a new reason to hate the company. Here I’ll help you out. There’s red hats in the game! /gasp
There you go buddy. Now you can scream about Whitemane’s Chapeau. /sarcasm
Actually they can because it was broadcast in TAIWAN which doesn’t conform to the US constitution. Taiwan/China doesn’t have a freedom of speech law. Blitzchung deserved his punishment which if you have been following Blizzard actually halved his punishment and gave him all his winnings.
I’m not even angry about this, henceforth I will not follow you others in unsubbing or whatever it is you are doing in #boycottblizzard. I’m enjoying my game in peace.
lol how did 3 days old worth of posts get spliced onto the bottom of this thread and bump it down
Ppl keep starting new threads and blizzards wants them in one mega thread
So, you make sure to omit the relevant portion of my post where you essentially support my original argument. You then continue to try and skew the conversation to something other than what we’ve been talking about. Then you continue to make asinine assumptions yet again.
Holy trifecta’s batman!
I’m still waiting for you to post one single fact to support any claim you’ve made on this discussion.
You were the one who claimed Blizzard was supporting the PRC by enforcing their rules.
You were the one who then proceeded to allude that this is something America does not condone or really participate in. So I found five example that show otherwise. From there you tried to shift the discussion to a different topic you assumed that, because I did not mention that specific detail you want, meant I was unaware of it.
I haven’t seen anything substantive from you.
I haven’t seen any fact from you.
I haven’t seen any citations to support any claim you’ve made.
And somehow you’ve come to the conclusion that I don’t know what I am talking about.
Now, I’ll ask you again.
Answer the exact question or you concede everything. We are having a debate sir, at least respect yourself enough to finish it.
Besides serving to bolster my original argument that America and American companies do business with nations that violate human rights, directly supporting them in these atrocities by continuing to arm them and doing nothing to stop them from their attacks.
What does what I quoted from you have to do with me saying that America/American companies sell weapons to Saudi Arabia that are then used to kill civilians? What evidence do you have to counter this?
Stick to the point this time.
Don’t run.
Don’t hide.
You made a claim.
Defend it.
FYI though everytime they do that it deletes everyones notifications for the thread.
Are you really this daft?
No. I just showed you do not have a big enough contextual understanding to even begin discussing with you.
All you seem to know are bullet point propaganda “America is Bad” snippets.
If you read over the 100+ posts we had with each other I would engage you, but you just kept jumping around opening up more “America is bad” talking points.
So the new tactic I went with is to show that you just know talking points.
You dont have any context at all most of the times. You barely understood the UN and the history of its formation, yet you were fine jumping around discussing “America is bad” over it.
I mean you have hundreds of posts on this thread engaging multiple people all the time like you are some expert on foreign politics. But you arent.
You are an expert on “America is bad” talking points.
Its a valid thing to point out and unless you think context doesnt matter…
Engaging in a proxy war to contain Iranian influence in the region is not the same as murdering your principles to get cold hard Chinese cash.
Thats why context matters.
You only understand the conflict enough to say. “America is bad. America sell guns. Guns killed people. America is war criminal.”
To even make the comparison is silly. Thats why I just wanted to show your ignorance on the Yemen conflict.
You only knew enough to make your point “America is bad”.
Why did someone bring up WoW being censored in China like with bones? What does that have to do with anything? Content is censored all the time in the west. Most of it is usually sexual themes like costumes and stuff being changed for the western release cause America can’t handle that while loving gore all day.
Changing your game to fit the culture isn’t anything new or China related.
So, you won’t answer the question.
We are not talking about WHY the US is supporting Saudi Arabia as that isn’t my point at all.
We are talking about the fact that America is currently supporting the human rights abuses being conducted on the Yemen people by Saudi Arabia.
Two different arguments.
Again, answer the question or concede.
You’re not showing my ignorance in anything because you keep dodging the question. You keep trying to change the subject to an entirely different one.
You think I’m unaware that the US is willing to cast aside its morals if it means it gets access to a region that is otherwise hostile to us? You realize that’s one of the reasons we are supporting Israel right? Why the US is willing to condone and turn a blind eye to the abuses done to the Palestinian people? If the US didn’t support Israel, we would lose a major ally and a foothold in the Middle East as we have relatively few friends in the region.
I’m completely aware of the WHY behind all of these situations.
What you keep trying to avoid acknowledging is that the US does in fact support nations and governments that violate human rights as this would contradict your statement from earlier where you argued, awfully, the opposite.
You attempt to crucify Blizzard for supposedly bending to the will of the PRC, when the victim in question knew Blizzard (not China) would punish him for what he did. Blitz took the argument from you before you even had it. He acknowledged he knew the rules, acknowledged that he willingly broke them and he accepted the punishment.
Then comes your false argument that Blizzard caved into the pressure of the PRC and that is why Blitz was punished, when Blitz’s own argument disproves this.
Yet you insisted. And were proven wrong.
I mean, I could literally do this all day my friend.
You are just another keyboard warrior with a trigger finger on Wikipedia trying to shovel information into your mind so you can regurgitate other people’s talking points because you have no real ones of your own. I’m very familiar with your kind and know that you’ll never actually acknowledge that you were wrong. You’re not capable of it because you’re so convinced, in the safety of your American home, glued to the computer chair, that you are right.
But to be right in a debate my friend, you need to prove it.
Which you haven’t done.
Your initial argument is disproven by Blitz.
Your next one was disproven by me.
Just concede and we can move on from this to more important issues.
I’ve been saying the same thing for a couple of days now.
Soon, some keyboard warrior who doesn’t know much about anything will come in talking about some slippery slow or caving into the PRC, or try and change the discussion entirely.
Censorship in video games is older than a lot of the people talking in these forums right now and isn’t unique to any particular country.
Just remember most people upset with what has occurred had no idea nor did they care about HK until just recently. Im fine with someone boycotting over this but I am not fine with people talking down to me condescendingly because I wont be boycotting. That and many people are acting as if they are suddenly experts on the matter even though they just learnt what it is a week ago
I think the answer is “Morality is fluid as long as I agree with the reasoning.”
Sure seems that way.
It’s totally fine when America does something, but when someone else does something similar, all hell breaks loose.
Um if you really think context doesnt matter, you are lost.
There is a war. Both sides have been accused of violations. The Houthis are using child soldiers and civilian body shields just like every rag tag terrorist organization does.
Context and motivations matter. Iranian increased influence in the region is bad news. The US is not selling weapons there to make money, the involvement is an attempt to contain Iran.
But yeah, context doesnt matter to you. You dont even think its necessary to study on topics before you speak out.
Your only desire is to throw out anti-American talking points bit by bit and move on to the next one. Drive by anti-American sentiment without any scholarly impulses.
Yet again, you fail to answer the simple question and have again attempted to further expand the topic.
Note this. Because I’ll have it bookmarked for the future because I know somewhere down the line, you’ll do this again to someone else and I’ll be there to again call you out on it.
Note this. I never said context does not matter. In fact, the context in fact works out more negatively for you in this discussion. Also, your clear American bias is showing. “Rag tag terrorist organization” Interesting.
If you think the US is not selling weapons there to make money, talk to the President.
https:// www .bbc. com/news/world-us-canada-49106989
For the US, this is primarily about the money. The President has bragged about this point on multiple occasions.
I’m not anti American at all, I am very much pro American, but I am not so blinded by my patriotism that I do not criticize it when it does wrong.
https:// harvardpolitics. com/hprgument-posts/to-love-america-is-to-recognize-its-flaws/
https:// www .jstor. org/stable/20661681?seq=1#page_scan_tab_contents
https:// www .salon .com/2019/07/13/fragile-patriotism-right-wing-snowflakes-triggered-by-any-criticism-of-america/
Again, you make another baseless assumption.
So again, are you going to answer the question?
Also, that last link, based on everything I’ve seen from you, fits you to a T.
Had to deal with plenty of people like this before. They will make up any claims possible to prove you wrong and when they can’t they will randomly pick a sentence you used and bring it up in a completely different context. They are crazy and will do whatever it takes to prove you wrong.
Oh I’m quite familiar with his type, it’s important to shine a light on them whenever they crawl out of their hole.
Just for kicks, let’s go with context:
Straight from the horses mouth. Saudia Arabia is worth money. US wants money good. Blizzard wants money bad.