This topic isn’t appropriate for the WoW forums anyways.
Imagine thinking this does anything.
Pot meet kettle.
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Perhaps not but the mods have indulged our desire to discuss it. People here should be more respectful towards each other, though.
I think that would be a healthy way to rehabilitate prisoners actually, to just tell them to channel their psychopathic energies into supporting big corporations and climbing up the corporate ladder, that would be much better than them behaving in anti-social behavior on the streets.
People who are on the streets are not the ones who are the real, actual danger to you. It’s that guy that always smiles at you on the bus, and asks all sorts of questions about your life that a day later you go “hmm… that was weird.” And you feel a little creeped out, but kind of silly for thinking anything about it.
You want to lock people up in jail for the sole reason that you don’t like them. I’d rather lock people up who intend (and cause) real harm.
So how is someone smiling at me being friendly causing me harm? That person is not behaving in any offensive way towards me, I don’t get creeped out by niceness.
The fundamental right to exist?
After the protests, there are three options available to Hong Kong.
After another year of riots, the economy collapses and HK loses all international bargaining power and China is free to come in and completely eradicate all cultural and political independence.
OR
China cuts off all trade to Hong Kong, effectively crippling the country economically while the world watches, and Hong Kong devolves into mass poverty and people either live in the streets or emigrate to guess where? Mainland China
OR
China declares the instability in HK to be a threat to national security, and massacres the protestors using the PLA like they did in Tiananmen Sqiare. And people like you will be on the Internet talking about how horrible it is while people like me who actually fing live there actually have to live through the bloodshed.
How dare you accuse me of being a mainland shill. You are clueless about the economic and political intricacies that have lead to the current circumstances. HK is my home. Can you tell me using rational logic about what the protesting can or will achieve? Oh, you’ve ”heard” about stuff from HKers and Ukrainians haven’t you? You must be such an expert. Why don’t you use your brain to think for 5 seconds: what can the protesting accomplish outside of making things worse for Hong Kong politically, economically and socially?
Your dismissal of the housing market’s essential role in this discussion indicates a complete ignorance regarding the political and economic circumstances that have lead to the current political instability. The extradition law was merely the straw that broke the camel’s back. The inability of future generations to buy homes for themselves or start a family without going into debt is a massive reason behind the anger and resentment brewing within the city. I went into this discussion expecting you to have at least a basic grasp of the politics behind the very thing you are so outraged about on our city’s behalf. I guess I was expecting too much.
It is extremely laughable how you accuse me of using “only CNN as my news source”. Very typical keyboard warrior with no concrete, first hand perspective of reality. I read Apple Daily News, Xing Dao News, and have heard countless opinions from Hong Kongers on both sides of the argument. Many of the people who support the protests in Hong Kong are passionate, devoted people who care greatly about our country. The people who oppose the protests employ rationality and political knowledge. You? You pretend to care about Hong Kong to get drama going on the World of WARCRAfT forums, and you dare belittle me for actually knowing what I am talking about and living here to experience it. You pick aside my posts like this is some fun little diversion for you while I go by my life every day worrying about how much longer my home and my family can live in peace and security. I’m sorry if I come off as overly insulting or angry but your response to my first post is just absurd.
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It is good to here from someone living there that feels that the excessive protests and violence serves nobody.
The inability of future generations to buy homes for themselves or start a family without going into debt is a massive reason behind the anger and resentment brewing within the city
We have the same problem in the West as well. This is really now a global problem.
Can you tell me using rational logic about what the protesting can or will achieve?
This is what I’ve kept saying that I support peaceful protests but sadly too often they turn on violent and it gets out of hand resulting in an extreme reaction from authority.
Your dismissal of the housing market’s essential role in this discussion indicates a complete ignorance regarding the political and economic circumstances that have lead to the current political instability.
I think most people want to be safe, and insecure housing, inability to keep out of debt and so on makes people feel less safe.
“Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.”
–Benjamin Franklin.
Every tyrant has always claimed to be acting in the name of ‘security’.
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No doubt this is true yet how many people would rather have their freedom and liberty even if it means they are unsafe? Americans should know this…it’s what our country’s liberty was built on.
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I commend you on this post. Thank you for making it, and showing so many that this is reality for most over there. I am sorry for the pile of trash responses you will receive from those who can’t understand your personal situation.
I hope things get better for you soon, will keep you in my thoughts and prayers.
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Basically yes. Giving up your principles makes people lose respect in you. Tells people that you have no integrity or can’t be trusted.
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Do you believe Blizzard should have never censored and re-released the game for China?
I don’t know, for me security and safety comes first above all else, you know in the bogan suburbs of Australia week by week there’s some murderer in the papers that’s killed someone because they are some deadbeat, these places need an imperialist style intervention, to me without security and safety there can’t be any freedom!! That’s the point. If I had my way, I would send the entire army of China into those suburbs to set them straight.
Do you believe Blizzard should have never censored and re-released the game for China?
In all honesty Jaina in WC3 to me looked like a bit of a skank, in BFA she looks regal and awesome.
My sub ends in a few days
Free hong Kong
From the violent people, yes. To me it’s disturbing that people are using women’s suffrage movement as a reason to justify violent protest activity, to me we seem to have lost the art of being able to argue our case and arguing for the potential benefits of our position.
You’re the gift that just keeps on giving
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Ah well…some of us have died and would choose to fight to the death to keep our freedoms and our liberties. But I guess we don’t all have the same values.
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You don’t understand, I was reading an article in the newspaper today that another deadbeat had murdered someone in the bogan suburb of my city for no apparent reason than the simple fact that he was in his way, these suburbs need an intervention they are full of nothing but criminals that hurt and kill others, something has to be done about those types of people! I don’t care how it’s done, whether its more investment in mental health services, mass surveillance on all the streets, strapping them to a chair and magically brainwashing their evil thoughts out of them, I simply do not care, to me killing all these murderers would only be the final option if nothing else worked, these suburbs aren’t safe and something has to be done to fix it all up! These people need an intervention. To be fair, the local MP’s that represent those suburbs want the ability to go into suspected drug houses without a warrant so good on them; they are just having a hard time getting it through because keep talking about ‘civil liberty’, and other bureaucratic nonsense to stop them from doing what needs to be done.
Now back to the topic, I have heard that the law-abiding people in Hong Kong agree that deliberately causing other people inconvenience is interfering with their own freedom. The Hong Kong protesters are losing the support of the people due to their violence and aggression.
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Wow Eruanna that explains a lot of how you feel and why. I’m sorry for the disappearance of one of your family members. That adds another dimension to all of this…
I don’t know the full circumstances regarding the missing cousin. I guess my weakness is that I’m too honest…I would let everyone know why I’m doing what I’m doing and think the way I think. Don’t like secrets.
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I’m amazed I haven’t got banned or at least some kind of warning for my pro-China rantings…
So, what you’re saying is that you view the extermination of ‘undesirables’ as the final solution?
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I deliberately said final ‘option’ not ‘solution’ I was very careful with my language not to use the term ‘final solution’ when I said what I did.
But what I meant was, I would only ever condone killing a murderer as an absolute last resort to keep the community safe. But in all honesty, with our technology advancing, I think convicted murderers should be used in brain washing experiments to see if can get that gene that makes them kill and hurt others out of them, that would be a better option.
Ultimately though I simply don’t care what happens to a murderer or incredibly violent individual as long as they are behind bars, and off the streets, so the rest of us can feel safe to walk the streets at night.
The ability to just bust into someones house without a warrant because you suspect people are using drugs is really dangerous policy, and naturally leads to a slippery slope where people with addiction issues or who live in low areas of wealth are scapegoated or demonised.
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Yeah not everyone that lives in crazy town is a bad person, but the area still needs an intervention because there are murderers there, there are the scum of the Earth that live there, they are horrible, horrible people that need to be dealt with asap, otherwise we are going to see more murders, more innocent people dying, the other day someone from the rough end of town lost their dad to one of these remorseless deadbeats, so reality is all of these people from these areas are potential suspects.
You call my ideas harsh, but to me a bit of a tough love is more compassionate than dropping bombs on these places, I’ve seen so much rudeness, so much domestic abuse, that there is no question that if government decides to intervene with a bit of tough love in these areas I’d support them fully.