Where can I see the data of this proven fact?
Call me crazy but people say this same thing about every single patch and expansion.
I’m not sure what to say to this besides the fact that I am astonished that you would think the game wouldn’t change over 15 years.
People have said that since day 1. Sometimes people don’t find a game enjoyable, sometimes they outgrow them or the game outgrows them. Life happens in life.
I think grinding for a MMORPG is healthy if it involves lasting power progression. Rentals aren’t going to motivate people when it involves massive grinds on alts.
Yeah in Legion at least I got some cool artifact skins. What am I going to use these essences for? Future timewalking runs years from now? It feels bad, it isn’t fun.
I kinda wish they had made grinding select essences targetable just doing the content you like to do similar to how you could toggle which Pandera rep you wanted to target.
Blizzard has decided to make their recent expansions as standalone games which feels bad. For one not much carries over and two it does not give much replay value. Or even value for new or returning players.
Yeah the legion artifact skins was actually something players could enjoy collecting and showing off.
Just look at this forum thread. You are outnumbered over 10:1 on people that hate grinding essences.
8.2 was not a popular patch. A ton of people left that weren’t trying to grind rep for 3 weeks before they could play the game. If you want to stick your head in the sand and ignore the problems the essence system brought I don’t really care. You do you.
Not really. And they won’t say anything, they will just quit. Most people aren’t that dramatic and don’t announce their departure on the forums, they just leave.
So you agree the game hasn’t always been like this? Cool, at least we are getting somewhere.
Nah, that’s not it. I love WoW, but like I said, when my time spent in game is 90% chores I don’t want to do and 10% actually playing the parts of the game I enjoy, I have to question whether it’s worth my time.
I still love raiding, still love M+, and still mildly enjoy arenas and BGs.
I don’t love that I have to invest more time that ever in the history of the game to get to a point where I can competitively participate in those activities.
You want me to judge the game based on this forum thread for proof of anything? lol
This is a great post.
You have showed that you are a valued member of the WoW community. To me patch 8.3 is dead on arrival because they refuse to reward players for time put in by having an option to have alts ready to play with how BFA is designed. Blizz wants to have it both ways but they are in the process losing more players than they gain with that approach.
Bro, I don’t really care what you do.
If you want to believe everyone loves grinding essences go for it. This forum, reddit, or anyone I talk to in game points to that not being the case.
You can “lol forums” all you want, but the fact remains people are saying they don’t like grinding essences.
Also nice job continually dodging this point:
Grinds upon grinds upon grinds. Just another reason not to play alts. I think a lot of people look in and say “It’s not that bad” without actually having done a decent survey of the requirements of some essences.
See Conflict & Strife for example, a lot of tanks use this in raid content (myself included). To level it in a timely fashion you’re probably going to want to push arena rating to somewhere around 1600 (setting aside pug RBGs for the cesspool of whinge and blame that they are).
So now you’re a pve player who needs to do pvp content, and as a tank, your spec is generally not all that viable, so it’s time to learn a new one. Personally, I picked up mistweaver and pushed to 1800. It probably took around a month to collect the tokens I needed.
So I got pushed out of my preferred content stream (pve), out of my main spec (brewmaster), and still had to sit and wait for around a month.
How??? My alts seem to take weeks
Exactly this.
There’s so much more to it than just grinding rep for Naz and Mech. People arguing in favor of the current system seem to think players are only complaining about two grinds.
420 is a little higher than normal level loot and emissary cache loot. 420 is not something to write home about. Its about the equivalent of Rank 1 essences. 420-440+ is the real grind.
presumably one or the other, its pretty common for pvpers to shun pve and pvers to shun pvp.