im just gonna leave it at unless you clear MC in under 45 min youre not competitively doing anything in classic raiding; and if youre not aiming to be the best of the best in BG’s and WPVP youre not doing anything competitively. thx for coming to my ted talk. ALSO under your example of real players; a real player then would Grind out Retail and Classic to have 2 toons of top tier on both versions of the game like OSRS players and EQ players do 