BFA bothers me a lot in all of its story beats but hey, here we are. We’re not getting a retcon to make it better.
Throw out Darnassus and the Undercity on a whim. Literally throw out Azshara, one of the most important characters in the story, out as a garbage subplot that doesn’t even include Tyrande, the character who’s story orbits around her. Ditto for N’zoth, minus Tyrande and more like the entire world.
Bounce back and forth on the plot, playing with faction identities for no care of the consequence (Brennadam), crawl through the war story without any care of telling a war story with the important details that actually embody a war story.
This story satisfied no-one, had no conclusion to anything worthwhile and was through and through hot garbage.
BFA deserves to be removed from the story. I wouldn’t even be mad if there was a copout mechanic at the end that involved the bronze dragonflight flying literally whoever into the past to stop it all from happening. Just retcon all the events of BFA.
He was supposed to be a schemer not a straight up juggernaut.
He should have had a plan for dealing with Sylvanas and The Jailer. Even if it was just snitching on her at every turn.
Instead he became Sylvanas’ latest tool and distracted both the Alliance and Horde. He became nothing more than C’Thun and Yogg’Saron and failed exactly where they failed, trying to take on both the Horde and the Alliance.
The Horde didn’t need to juke back to preMoP development where we spend as much of a faction war fighting ourselves and the Alliance didn’t need to start off as helpless patsies, who bend to Anduin’s peacefulness.
This entire expansion main plot(s) wise has been unsatisfying for all parties.
Are you intentionally ignoring the points I made? The whole point for both events for the horde is to seize control of resources. Which is the main reason why Garrosh invaded Ashenvale in Cata and bombed Theramore after. Garrosh wanted to secure all of central Kalimdor for the horde. Having a major alliance town that is the main base of their operations in central kalimdor is a very important target to get rid of.
And making the alliance into the aggressors for once would be a bad thing? If blizzard wants to push these whole “morally grey” BS they need to get their heads of out their butts and actually make the alliance do something that is morally grey. Not just wait for the horde to do it again and again and again and again and again etc. It has become a meme that the alliance is always the reactionary faction because blizzard wants us to be “captain america”.
Killing Calia is actually breaking her word. The whole event in Arathri was to allow those forsaken who are willing to reconnect with their loved ones who are still alive without any fear of punishment, either phyiscal or emotional. Sylvanas killing her own people because of that is going against her word.
what we need to do next is that we start destroying something of the horde so we can punish them as the monsters they are and who deserves to be exterminated.
and then the horde is forced to forgive or work with the alliance.
Nothing wrong with cleansing azeroth of their filth.
i have no idea why we weren’t the aggressors this expansion.
Because the alliance, the captain america of WoW would never deliver the first blow. it is better for the alliance to get punched around like a rag doll before doing anything. Only the horde can be aggressive.
Honestly I should do a meme from that scene in the Simpsons where Bart is on Conan O’Brien’s show and gets told “Only I may dance”. Have Bart as the alliance, Conan as the the horde. The “dance” is being aggressive, or “morally grey”
but hey we kinda were the aggressors in stormheilm and … silithus right?
Why we can’t nuke horde cities or kill horde characters ourselves? stupid plot armor.
Because blizzard kinda forgot that the Vindicaar is a thing. Honestly at this point blizzards writers are just as worse, if not worse than Dumb and Dumber. Still salty over how they wrote GoT S8.
In Silithus blizz made it so the Goblins attacked the Explorer’s League first “For Reasons” and in Stormheim … well, Sylvie was doing something sketchy so she deserved it. Even in the 1 in a million chance that the Alliance is the aggressor in a conflict, Blizz bends over backwards to make sure they are totally justified. Something they really couldn’t be bothered with for the Horde.
Also, your cities may not have plot-armor, but your characters sure as hell do. Like, what characters died in BfA? Discount Maiev? Fake Feathermoon? When a character who’s entire character can be accurately summarized as “Sword Draenei” is your biggest Faction Rep loss in the entire expansion … you seem perfectly fine on that front. Far better than the Horde that’s for sure.
I thought it was a group of forsaken wanted out and Sylvanas killed them to keep them from escaping. And killed the ones returning as well. Then killed Calia.
why i am supposed to care about characters that are more worried about their enemy than their own people? don’t get me wrong i want to like them because i have no other choice but if these characters are not willing to avenge their people and forgive at all cost why should i even care if they cut their f*** heads?
someone, anybody has to make the bastards of the horde pay, deliver them a devastating defeat as they deserve, defeats that we recieved already and needs to be answered.
The end of a story arc is the resolution, not the climax. In bfa the (not so great) climax to the faction war was the mok’gora and the climax to the old god stuff will be us facing off against n’zoth. What you are talking about is the call to adventure which is why all those events needed to happen at the begining of bfa.
With shadowlands we are going to have sylvanas destroy the helm causeing scourge to rampage across azeroth. Which calls us adventures to northrend, kicking off our journy.
Never said it needed to be anti-climactic. If you move those events to the end you remove the catalyst. With out that spark there would have been no reason to have the rest of the story.
So … all of them? Blademaster Talaamon is literally the most important character that the Alliance lost the entire conflict? Hell, Sira and Summermoon are both still kicking around. Tyrande is the only character who’s still rabid for the Horde right now. Even Genn characteristically does not give a crap about the Horde now that its no longer in the way of him going after Sylvanas. He doesn’t trust the Red Faction in any way, but the focal point for his thirst for vengeance no longer requires him to care about it either. We’re not an obstacle at this point.
Also … you might want to get used to disappointment on this point. The Horde has lost a lot this expansion, so I’m uncertain what further you want? I assume, the destruction of our like 3 remaining towns/cities? A big ol genocide against the races themselves? Perhaps wipe out the remaining leaders, even those that weren’t even in charge during the war? Its sort of funny how you continue to say things like “I know its not the Horde players fault and they didn’t ask for this. They don’t deserve to be punished … but if they could just be punished anyway that be great”.
He’s still pretty sure we are not done with the Horde. See his dialogue with Shaw, or him agreeing with Tyrande that the armistice is worthless.
Yeah, and they turned on the Alliance after we failed to save them from the Horde. That’s actually worse than death.
I wonder if you’d like to be sent to save every last Blood Elf civillian in Silvermoon from void monstrosities summoned by Alleria within a ridiculous small timeframe, fail, and just watch the city be consumed by darkness from the outside while listening to the screams of the people you just failed. But hey, no big name characters die!
And then Alleria gets a whole arc about her regrets while Lor’themar and Liadrin together can’t even land a scratch on Umbric.
Horde lost every part of the war after teldrasill, litterally all of it. No wins, anywhere, at all. In addition alliance get to play through several of those victories, both warfrants alliance side victories are canon. The best horde gets is to live through the alliance winning in Dazar’alor.
This was the worst event i have played through in my entire wow history. Calling it a mistake is an understatement. Blizzard should have issued an apology for putting players theough this.
Blizzards complete and utter lack of forsight with implementing this event does not mean horde players should suffer which is all you have ever suggested. Not only that the suggestions afect the possible futures for the stories for both the horde and alliance. Why you think that the fix to this mistake is to do it again i dont understand.
No, I was just forced to be the perpetrator of that tragedy; all while Blizz did everything possible to make us feel bad about it. God, I’ve just grown so friggen desensitized to Teldrassil at this point. I just don’t care. I got to spend an entire apparent “Horde Expansion” where both Blizz and the Alliance playerbase kept reminding me I should feel terrible about a tragedy I had no control over. Horde Bias is really working overtime in BfA.
It is so surreal to me to see members of the Blue Team constantly demanding and expecting a satisfying conclusion to this mess of a story with one hand, while fully admitting that the Horde playerbase is in no way entitled to the same with the other. That we are deserving of the story we were given and should suck it up; but they shouldn’t have to. Good times…
No, I’m not saying we should repeat exactly the Burning of Teldrassil. That was stupid.
But the Horde is coming out of this war losing… nothing? In terms of resources, or land, or population. They start this war, and at the end of the day they only lost the physical location of Lordaeron, and that was on their terms, with everyone already evacuated. They failed to conquer Darkshore and Arathi, yes, but the only thing that was already theirs and was lost was Tirisfal Glades, as far as we know, and they almost took the Alliance’s leadership with it, if it weren’t for that pesky Ice Pirate Princess.
Yeah I don’t feel like that’s comparable in any way shape or form.