You talk of perspective. Item level quite literally means nothing. It’s the acquisition of essences, corruptions, proper azerite traits (to just be viable in your desired content) which can only be acquired through a lotto at a specific vendor. ← These are what matters. Not item level.
Lets keep a little perspective on what actually matters.
450!
Before Cata, gear didn’t rain from the sky. It took a lot more time to be ready to do the max content unless you dumped an incredibly amount of gold for boe’s. Cata was pretty easy to catch up on though, that’s the first expansion I had literally one of every class ready to jump into heroic raids at any time.
Just saying that 445 ilvl is not a hard metric to hit and perfectly viable for solo content and low level keys without having the cloak.
Only 4 of mine have cloaks, and I’ve done 5s and a couple 10s here and there just fine. Getting your essences unlocked is actually super easy compared to getting the cloak, but even without the cloak all of my alts run up to 39 corruption without any real issues. All of my alts, having the neck catch-up unlocked, have neck ilvls of 500 or more.
Sure it is. I believe you. NOT. You’re only posting to criticize people you know absolutely nothing about, in real life or how they play, by slamming them with slurs based on your need to stroke your own ego by proving everyone but you is playing the game wrong and should stop altogether.
You know absolutely nothing about how other people play the game, and you don’t want to know. Ion started a thread during Legion asking people to help him understand how and why people play alts, because he didn’t understand. It went to 1200 responses. He never returned to the thread once.
That’s you.
Sure. Keep posting how it’s “super easy” for everybody to spam keys and grind their cloak on every character they do anything on.
People don’t want to be like you. You sound unhappy with your choices if you feel the need to criticize others for wanting to have fun.
Check out how those 445 alts do in PvP, eh? Your opponents will be 480 with stacked bis corruptions in premades.
Show me where I did that.
I’ll wait.
Actually, no I won’t, because I didn’t do that.
I’ll tell you what I told the last person. Learn what a main is. Learn what an alt is. Then get back to me and we’ll have a civil discussion.
You don’t know the difference between the two.
AT NO TIME did I ever say “don’t play a certain way”. I only said, “learn some definitions” then come back and discuss with some actual knowledge of the topic.
Good bye.
Right. Here.
“I’ll tell you how to play the game, because you’re stupid and need me to force feed you my personal opinion on how you’re playing the game wrong and need to be stopped. I have no clue how you actually play, I just know everybody’s wrong but me.”
I’m not seeing any potential for “civil discussion” if the basis is me eliminating all my personal preferences and adopting whatever you tell me to do blindly.
Gearing a toon to be mythic ready with the correct essences, azerite, and corruption along with corruption resistance is a ridiculous time sink. Not even going to go into sockets and how impactful they are while being RNG.
Look back at MoP. Gearing an alt meant hitting cap, maybe buying BoEs, heroics, then raids. Even the beginning rep grind wasn’t comparable to anything in BFA. You could do troves scenario for charms, Timeless Isle for BoA gear tokens. On top of all that, the entry into a normal(now called heroic) was much lower. There wasn’t a massive gap in player power brought on by corruption, RNG sockets, insane azerite performance differences, and essences.
The power was tied to talents which were available to everyone who hit level cap. Glyphs that were available to everyone. Then there was just gear. No randomness in sockets. There was a set path you could take to progress your character with gear suited for the content that required it. If you didn’t want to raid then you didn’t need the gear from heroic(now mythic) because the content you participated didn’t require it.
The game has gone from having player power tied to gear that was awarded to players based on the difficulty of the content they pursued, to grinding time gated and mind numbing filler content. That’s why alts are awful. Gear and player power is no longer given out based on how well you as a player have progressed, but how much time you commit to a single toon.
The difference between 450 and 470 with good corruptions + cloak + essences is bigger than the difference between Ilvl 1 and Ilvl 450. Not to mention some specs best essences take a month or longer to acquire, still
What was wrong with our alts in 8.1? We could just do the weekly M+ and weekly islands and be mostly caught up about 2-3 months after the patch. I cleared half of Mythic BoD on my alts in 8.1 and was able to sell weekly M+ runs on them. Couldn’t do that in 8.2 or 8.3 without doing all the same grinds my main did.
Yeah ur 450 Ilvlwith green essences and 0 corruption resistance
Cloak quests and visions say hi
yeah OP not sure what are you trying to say here… bragging about 16 120s? I don’t know…
rank 1 cloak and green essences(maybe r3 by farming emissary and assaults) and not having bis corruptions for your spec on each alt.
the systems are very very alt unfriendly.
still here’s some of the atention you wanted.
As you see immediately, the issue is that for whatever reason, people want their alts to be as powerful as their mains.
They think that because this requires the same effort a second time this is unfair some how, but this is just how the game works.
You are expected to play the character to gain power on it, and if you don’t play it often enough that’s why its an alt.
Its funny, because just two expansions ago the only way to even gain power on alts was to commit to a mythic raiding team.
There were no insane power systems to be ground on your own time or anything at all to do outside of raiding to increase the character’s power.
Now, you can get mythic raid quality gear for a single 15 a week, and people say the expansion is alt unfriendly lol…
Its all a matter of perspective, and many people discussing this topic are leaving that out, sadly.
You do not need to fully optimize a character you barely play to enjoy it, and you should not expect to do so unless you put the effort you put in on your main.
It’s easy enough to get your alt modestly geared, but actually doing anything on them demands a long and boring (to repeat) series of quests - even with all the skippable sections.
And that’s to get to the baseline. That’s not even reaching full power, that’s just getting access to the cloak, corruptions, essences et al. Having to power through a good chunk of Nazjatar and the cloak quest for every single alt just absolutely killed my motivation to create them.
And what’s worse is, that’s even taking into account all the nice catchup systems they’ve added. It’s still obnxoxious, and I used to really enjoy having an army of alts.
And I wish people would leave with this ‘you just want a second series of mains!’ rhetoric. Even getting a low-powered cloak, and your necklace to baseline still takes a good few hours of quests you’re already deathly sick of. Max level shouldn’t have what may as well be freaking attunements.
450 ilvl means absolutely nothing.
Did you have decent artifact power?
Did you have reps done?
Did you have ideal or bis azerite traits?
How about essences or corruption?
Quoting 450 ilvl as devils advocate is being dishonest at best.
Basically zero M+. Zero raid content. The difference is you do nothing but level characters. You don’t raid. You don’t do M+. You have that many alts because that’s all you do.
How about you get atleast one into some raiding and M+ and actually do some different content other than the easy stuff over and over. Get those 16 characters some Heroic or Mythic gear instead of sitting in complete garbage gear.
You do one of the easiest things in the game and proclaim that it’s easy without doing anything else all expansion. You can feel blizz is geting too much criticism but your feels don’t mean jack when you don’t actually do any current content.
You are a casual who does nothing in game but level up then gets scared of the big bad raid bosses and actual difficult dungeons in M+ and runs back to lvl 1 again.
Was it more or less alt friendly than in the past
Getting 120’s is easy. Getting basic 450 gear is easy. Getting those 120’s to 465, r15 cloak with high corruption resistance , BiS corruptions, BiS essences, and BiS Azerite gear is a terrible and time consuming grind that makes playing alts very unfriendly.
ilvl is not the problem, corruption and essences are.