you’re exaggerating, because every 5 i open i get a gem slot, and i’ve opened many on this character. And the 25 manapearls i get every day at least will normally proc at least 1 gem slot.
lol, I wish I was. I too saw all the posts about the socketed Benthic gear and have been forgoing sending them to alts for gearing and trying to get a socket on mine. Check my gear, this is my main, no sockets. Not doubting your experience though, but its def random.
Look at my bracers that I have equipped right now. And as always people have figured out how to cheese the system by farming and sending benthic gear to mains from alts until they get the right one with a socket.
are you just trying to proc the good raid benthic or trying to fill the gear slots in your character that don’t have gems?
My plans were to use the manapearls to raise my ilvl instead of get the mount initially, so I was just trying to get the 400 gear I had to 420. I didn’t dive too deep into which ones were actually BiS. But for all of the ones I used, none of them had a socket.
Also @Laaraa, I see those. They screwed up letting this gear proc with sockets I suppose.
I quite like the Benthic system. The real problem is twofold:
- Sockets are overpowered
- Certain benthic effects (belt, boot) are overpowered in the raid
I think the Benthic effects should also appear on raid loot. That way if you get a pair of heroic boots, there’s no question that it’s better than the benthic boots (socket notwithstanding). Sockets are still extremely valuable to have but that’s not a new problem.
lol, you are getting me mad ? I haven’t seen a sensible point yet from you.
You are literally responding to something that doesn’t even relate to your response just to spam bump up your own thread.
A better solution would be to just add back sockets on gear people got like in the past. That would feel better.
Also this thread wasn’t made for the BIS, but to point out there is a significant power advantage beyond the raid effects in m+ intentionally trying to proc sockets on the various different pieces. People are so focused on the raid effects that they missed how strong even a 420 piece with a socket can be. It almost is static mythic gear.
Actually, several people in those raids I linked you to were running other pieces too. Any slots they didn’t get 430 from their split raids and M+, they could fish up a 420 socketed an hour before the raid. Remember, sockets perform disproportionately well at high ilvl where stat weights tend to stop favoring primary, so at 420-425 with good secondaries it wouldn’t be unheard of for that to be superior to even Heroic raid and its bizarre love of vers.
A better solution would be to just add back sockets on gear people got like in the past. That would feel better.
But that would make Jewelcrafting valuable!
… i’m okay with this.
OP isn’t talking catch up gear. However, correction, catch up gear has been in game since TBC.
Then we’ve misunderstood each other’s positions. I raid. Hell my main is 423. I’ve cleared all of EP except Azshara right now as I’m usually pugging late night and we lose tanks before putting any meaningful work into her. As I mentioned, my guild is on hiatus because we have a bunch of people on vacations with family atm. We pick back up in August. If all you want is pearls available from raids I’m not opposed to that presuming they put a weekly cap in place so it doesn’t advantage raiders over folks who do the daily zone grind to farm them out. But no, I do not accept making all good gear progression behind a wall of organized group content. World quests are designed to be time based content for people who don’t do those things (which is the bulk of the playerbase). If you can come up with ideas to fix your problem without also screwing casuals, like the weekly cap but also allowing raids to drop pearls, I’d be happy to give them a look over and even support them if it’s not entirely self serving and intended to keep folks who don’t play the way you do from getting progression.
Exactly.
Hah, yeah he projects a lot like that. When he says that it just means that’s how he feels. He’s just raging and salty because people don’t agree. Nothing more or less.
You have not mentioned anything even related to my point in the thread, and you’re so dull you didn’t even get the point of my thread was abusing the vendor for sockets that needs 15-20 ilvl on static drops to upgrade for 200+posts. You’re here to mock my thread remember?
Nah, it’s just another sob post about Benthic gear that should be mocked, ridiculed, and ignored. Just doing my part!
You have not mentioned anything even related to my point in the thread, and you’re so dull you didn’t even get the point of my thread was abusing the vendor for sockets that needs 15-20 ilvl on static drops to upgrade for 200+posts.
You seem to think that I was confused about the point of your thread. I wasn’t. I explicitly made the point about the benefit of the sockets in my post, the one you glossed over and immediately responded with snark. And then I responded back in kind. Clearly you were triggered by getting exactly what you give. Shocker. When you have something substantial I’ll happily engage you.
The problem is you don’t dictate what people can talk about here. I can talk about anything I want. And in this case I’m responding to specific points made by other people. Don’t like it? Too bad. You’re not a moderator. In the meantime, I’ll post when and where I want. Thanks!
I simmed out this gear in comparison to 455 gear with a socket using 425 Benthic gear with a socket. In each case the dps increase was very minimal
You compared an item which is relatively easy to get, even spamming for sockets, with a mythic raid item that both forged to its maximum possible level and procced a socket, a virtual white whale of raid drops.
You compared an item which is relatively easy to get, even spamming for sockets, with a mythic raid item that both forged to its maximum possible level and procced a socket, a virtual white whale of raid drops.
I also explicitly talked about gear in relation to heroic quality and in relation to what I’ll end the season with and in relation to the gear I’m currently using. Perhaps you can be intellectually honest and actually respond to the post and not one snippet of it out of context of the rest. Thanks!
Just as soon as you’re intellectually honest about the “minimal difference” between an item almost anyone could get and an item almost no one will ever see.
You are wrong. World Quests are clearly intended endgame content as they added in paragon chests and a small chance at a pet, toy, etc in those chests.
Blizzard was intentionally trying to get players to repeat this over and over. And since you can’t do it till max level, means it is endgame content.
Also, every one of those stated including World Quests fit the bill of repeatable experiences once you reach max level which is the very definition of endgame content.
Just because you don’t play or see it that way does not make it true.
I meant that the game isn’t balanced around World Quests. You don’t see Blizzard nerfing/buffing classes because they’re too overpowered at picking up crates and killing 20 non-elite murlocs. MDI, world firsts, and PvP tourneys are a big focus.
If all you want is pearls available from raids I’m not opposed to that presuming they put a weekly cap in place so it doesn’t advantage raiders over folks who do the daily zone grind to farm them out.
Valor/Justice points were a great system that rewarded even casuals with decent gear equal to the old normal (heroic mode now), and they had a weekly cap so nobody could get too far ahead.
But no, I do not accept making all good gear progression behind a wall of organized group content. World quests are designed to be time based content for people who don’t do those things (which is the bulk of the playerbase). If you can come up with ideas to fix your problem without also screwing casuals, like the weekly cap but also allowing raids to drop pearls, I’d be happy to give them a look over and even support them if it’s not entirely self serving and intended to keep folks who don’t play the way you do from getting progression.
I don’t have a problems with casuals getting progression, but I believe that the most difficult content should give the best rewards. It’s just how the world works. Raiding is also time consuming content while being difficult at the same time. Gear is a necessity for raiding and progression. Unless Blizzard amps up the difficulty for WQs, what do you actually need this gear for? The whole point of catch-up gear is to get our alts or new players into endgame quicker so they don’t fall behind.
I hate that Normal mode is irrelevant and I wish they would just remove it so we could stop having so much ilvl inflation. Casual gear should be slightly behind heroic (like it currently is except for benthic pieces) with a few heroic pieces thrown in for better catch up. Just like how it was in Cata.
I simmed out this gear in comparison to 455 gear with a socket using 425 Benthic gear with a socket. In each case the dps increase was very minimal. So yes, while you can use 4 pieces of maxed out Benthic gear with a socket and gain a whopping ~700 dps over 455 mythic pieces with a socket that only works in EP itself. They’re massive dps losses in M+, Mechagon, warmode outside of Nazjatar, IE, battlegrounds, all raid content next tier, etc. Don’t really care about people getting a damage boost doing world quests while rep/pearl farming in Nazjatar itself.
This is your 1st post, not only did you not read my OP, you went on to epicly rant for 3 paragraphs about something that everyone already knew that my post had nothing to do with. Then you finally made it to the point of my OP later in that post and you still get off topic.
Off topic from OP content will be bolded.
Okay, so what does that mean for someone like me who isn’t going to do mythic. I raid through heroic each tier. Going through simming all the items with baseline heroic level 430 gear (items straight from the raid, often times nonoptimal stats for me even though I’ll actually end the tier with at a minimum 440 ilvl gear from M+ weekly chest and forges), we’re talking a total of less than 2k dps difference from all 4 pieces totally maxed out.(completely missed the point of my thread talking about how you can abuse procs for sockets and it’s potentially 6 pieces not 4. Also this feeds into how the vendor discourages the running of m+ 10 because you lower the chances of getting upgrades with the power of sockets) And since that’s not actually going to be the gear I would have anyways because I run other content, it’s probably closer to ~5% of my overall dps inside EP. It’s not trivial, not to me, but it’s certainly not gamebreaking either. And even for me outside of EP those items are a dps loss. **(Again shows he doesn’t understand the point of the topic by mentioning effects) M+ and Mechagon I’m going to need alternatives or just accept losing damage. (Why does this even matter in reference to the topic)While I probably won’t care going into those as the items are close, I’m absolutely going to want something for those slots going into next tier where the EP bonuses will cease functioning. (Again shows by this statement he didn’t read OP. Quote from OP below why.)
To put it simply: the outrage is stupid.
Bold is the emphasis on the main point.
You get your BIS benthic for raid with sockets, upgrade to at least 420, spam m+ for upgrades on 8 pieces, until you realize you can also spam benthic for sockets on those other pieces and have the equivalent of 440-455 gear without sockets by not doing m+ content. That’s leaves only 6 slots that can be rewarding to receive in m+. Trinkets, rings, and weapons. And rings absolutely require sockets with how little secondary stat is added per 5 ilvl.
Now do you see why you messed up? This is my thread I made, I made the topic, I made a point, you didn’t follow it or argue it.