Oh yeah I can see what you’re saying. But combustion is a 10 second window. If you can’t find a 10 second window in a boss fight to use your CD’s I don’t really know what to tell you hahaha.
Also, if movement is the issue, rather than a particular mechanic not letting you damage the boss at that moment, just cast scorch in place of fireball during the combustion window and problem solved. (you can cast roughly 7 scorches in the time it takes to cast 5 fireballs, so with the extra instant pyro or two, the dps evens out to be roughly the same).
Really the only change they could make to simplify the rotation would be to remove scorch and bake it’s movement into fireball. Reduce fireballs cast time.
After that…every piece of gear you get your dps will jump. Grabbed the hyperthread bracers last night and my opener went up like 15 k. Odd that a couple more pyro and fireblasts would bump the ignite that much lol
I’d just like to point out that staying Frost is just fine in Mythic. Fire is neat and all, but if someone just cannot master it, and they’re much better as Frost, I see Frost pretty viable for Mythic.
All specs are viable when you’re three months behind the curve during a tier with ramping catch-up mechanics. All three of our specs have relatively similar, reactive, and simple play-styles and it’s a good idea to work toward understanding your class as a whole if you don’t want to be a burden during prog. Mastery of a spec isn’t expected, but if a player claims they simply cannot perform well with a spec while doing well on another, they’ve probably just given up without trying.
Yea the RNG part is the fights. Random death pools and dots that you have to stop everything to move out of really kills this spec at times. I’ve seen a lot of fire mages refuse to move because of their logs and stay viable in a fight or risk getting benched for a frost or arcane mage.
Bracer = Hyperthread Wristwraps from King Mechagon, end boss of the Mechagon 5-man dungeon. A Mythic version will give you more stats, but the Heroic version works just fine (the on-use is the same) and you can queue for the Heroic as much as you want. Pretty much mandatory for Fire Mages in the current tier.
EP Trinket = Azshara’s Font of Power from Azshara, the end boss of the Eternal Palace raid. Just my opinion: this one is a nice to have but not the end of the world if you don’t. First off it’s from the previous tier, so you may not be able to find groups running EP regularly and I don’t think the LFR version is worth it. Secondly if you have another on-use trinket like the PvP badge you need to deal with the shared cooldown between multiple on-uses. YMMV, but if you have a good on-use that isn’t Font and a good passive you’ll still do okay.
The reason Azshara is so good is because on a 20 second pull timer you can font and then have then it buff from font for your combustion burst plus on use trinket.
And that is what is bull about the spec right now…not everyone likes or enjoys pvp and not everyone killed Azshara when she was current…needing to use a trinket from the previous raid is so dumb…yes i have the trinket because I did that raid while it was current but honestly I feel for those who haven’t…
I’m aware that it’s BIS and how it works, and if you can get it and also get your raid to agree to stand around for 20 seconds, by all means go for it. But it’s not the end of the world if you don’t have it, and it’s not wrong to decide it’s not worth the effort at this point. My point was that the bracers are a significant upgrade that is easier to get and less annoying to use.
I’ve been getting abysmal results every time I try fire spec. Finally have the muscle memory down for the burn phase, but I still don’t do well with it, even against the dummy.
Last night, I was reviewing my macros and I noticed I had /stopcasting built into my Fireblast macro. With /stopcasting in there I was unable to take advantage of Blizzard’s queuing system and was sometimes losing pyroblasts I think.
Took that out of the macro and noticed an immediate boost to target dummy dps, with single-target burn phase dps approaching 200k and on the 3-target dummy over 250k.
Wonder if I’ll do any better with it in raiding.
Guess I’ll find out next raid. My Arcane mainspec is pretty much unusable in mythic Nyalotha for anything except the first few boss fights due to lack of cleave and AOE. And my packed ice frost build is fun, but is severely lacking in dps.
I’m personally against simplification.
I already miss the bracer proc build back in Legion. Too bad meteor is the superior cookie cutter build and Blizzard didn’t even think of tuning damage till Shadowlands.
But now in Shadowlands, we only have 1 charge of shimmer, so might be meteor all over again…
Just ask for Pain Suppression before you cast it =P
But ya, I feel ya. I can’t count the number of times I’ve almost murdered myself on that fight on my rogue with a badly timed TD or double TD proc, and I have both Cloak and Cheat Death to fall back on. That fight causes some very odd distortions to classes that focus on large singular hits or bursts of damage.
Wow I really suck with fire. Got our first mythic Raden kill last night and as usual, I was pretty close to dead last on the meter. I went with fire spec, but unlike the other mage who mainspecs fire, I don’t have ideal gear for it.
I really hate that my favorite spec, arcane, seems only to be playable for the first few fights.
i’ve mained arcane most of my wow career, and only very grudgingly swapped to fire again this expansion (I only came back in 8.3 so ‘this expansion’ is really only this patch for me)
i stuck with arcane through most of normal ny’alotha but towards the end i started feeling its limitations on certain fights (when it was good it was fine, but the rough fights for arcane where ROOOUGH)
when i first switched to fire though it was baaaaaad, I went from top 5 fairly consistently to almost the bottom of the pack, and I spent about a month an way too much gold on reforging swapping between the two till i finally decided to buckle down and learn fire.
I find fire relies a bit more on getting into a good flow of things than arcane, and once you get a feel for it it can be rather fun. however its also a lot less forgiving of mistakes, which makes arcanes damage a lot more steady and reliable.
its a lot easier to recover from a bad arcane burn phase than it is to recover from a botched or poorly timed combustion.
You do know that fireblast is castable while casting, right? The usage of Fireblast outside of combustion is casting it mid-fireball casts, which your macro would absolutely destroy
