I go cat form as well for trash. But if you’re in cat form, you’re not tanking. No one is tanking.
However, that can’t always be the case, clearly. When mobs do hit significantly harder, be it from lack of gear (for the whole raid) or harder raids, you will need to actually tank trash. And then, we’ll need snap threat or dps to control themselves, something they don’t need to do for warlocks/shamans and to a lesser extent Paladins (maybe warriors too, haven’t tried).
I don’t really give a damn about skull bash, and being able to setup your character best for bear or cat doesn’t mean you can’t still do both. You just won’t have Savage Roar if you prefer to tank mostly.
But then you’d have to lacerate as a bear when mangle is generally better
Mangle is a 6sec CD lacerate has none, you spam lacerate when mangle is on CD.
also if you check logs (last I checked) Lacerate is like 1-5 DPS behind Mangle for bear.
Every other druid ability that scales this way says “***% Normal Damage” thus basic deductive reasoning is this tooltip is wrong which makes sense since its almost a copy paste version of devastate on the tooltip and the lazy game design as of late…
please BY ALL MEANS TEST IT… I have personally tested this… with a white dagger and a white 2h mace of the same level, the damage is the same… Also the difference in damage from BiS weap to non BiS is frankly laughable.
I have never said lacerate doesn’t scale at all… I did say THE DOT/BLEED EFFECT does not scale with anything.
Your thrash Idea isn’t a bad way to go.
I am 1st hand comparing it to warr and shaman. but overall if you look at ALL the other tank specs… as stated it falls short [quote=“Snipy-faerlina, post:7, topic:1780058, full:true”]
What are you comparing it to? And, out of curiosity are you playing that also?
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Skull bash is sub parr AT BEST and in 3 days we will ALL have feral charge anyway so the intercept part of ur point is gone… as far as the interrupt point I would MUCH rather be able to hold threat than have an interrupt.
as far as your other suggestions frankly I think is asking for 2 much… I would just like bear to function.
… Can’t tell if this is trolling or just stupid…
faerie fire (feral) is great! but we dont even get it yet… even if you spec full feral… also it doesnt do a bunch of threat either.
Bear total TPS is Avg maybe a tad under avg but honestly if you know what you are doing its decent… the issue we have is we have basically 0 TPS until 3+ stacks of lacerate… and that is not going to change with lvls unless this problem is addressed… other classes will have large increases in snap threat next phase… we will not.
I am not even going to address the “tank in cat form” comments as this is stupid and these people are not worth arguing with… I will say this 1 time and not reply to these comments any further…
WE ARE TRYING TO ADDRESS THE ISSUE OF BEAR FORM NOT BEING VIABLE WHEN YOU SAY “JUST TANK IN CAT” THAT IS LITERALLY NOT THE POINT OF THE THREAD…
Bear Form being broken wont change if you just tank in cat form… and ignore the problem…
Cat form is not really tanking you do 80% of normal threat and people rip off you unless you are playing with a bunch of melvins…
I also cant help but notice no one is posting as a SoD druid which to me is just a way of hiding so no one can look you up? I post as this character and no my logs are not the best but I feel I preform at a level where I know wtf I am talking about.
I stand by everything said in this post
Skull bash has no minimum range, feral charge does.
And what is too much? IMO my suggestions are bare minimum to make Bear functional.
I get that is your opinion, and I do respect that but id MUCH prefer SoTF on legs so we can take wild strikes AND SoTF and frankly at 40 we wont be having NEARLY as much of rage issues and 5 rage for charge is gonna not be an issue at all.
“asking 2 much” was referencing the druid only rune slot imo
All they have to do to fix Bear tanks in SoD is make make it to where if you have Survival of the Fittest chest rune equipped, it gives an enhanced Bear-swipe making it cost 0 rage with reduced damage and only usable in bear form. Currently druid threat is a meme for AoE. Side note, let’s hope shuriken toss in P2 for tank rogues actually works.
I’m not sure what game you’re playing that you’re having trouble tanking as a druid. It’s like you’re trying to create a problem that doesn’t exist…
If you need some snap threat use mangle. Like the theoretic dps if lacerate vs actual functionality of mangle kinda makes me wonder if you’re just theory-crafting the issue.
Also if you’re struggling are you using clarity or just feral because you think is the tank spec?
They are two very powerful runes and the entire point of having them on the same slot is to help differentiate a bit between cat and bear.
I like weaving between them as needed and think weaving between them should be strong, hence mangle+lacerate should be one rune, but you shouldn’t get the absolute best of both worlds at all times.
But I guess this is SoD where all other classes are broken and Druids are just being fixed so what do I know.
Tell me you never bear tanked through classic without telling me you never bear tanked through classic.
lmao this is laughable at best… if you dont have or dont see an issue CLEARLY you are not playing bear in SoD… and clearly you dont understand that omen vs feral spec in SoD (for bear only) is pretty close to equal due to the way bear works… lmao I have used both specs plenty but I will point out you gain 10% damage with the omen spec… however your rage gen is GARBO… feral you fix the rage gain problem (mostly) but deal 10% less damage… the total TPS is pretty close to the same and so is the overall DPS
AGAIN THIS IS BEAR ONLY … Cat it is no contest the Omen spec is 100% BiS
and as I have said many times if you could open your eyes and read before posting some ignorant reply “I am not saying bear tanks cant tank everything in the game currently”
also what is your bear tanks name?? id love to check his logs since you like to run your mouth so much 
I disagree… i like to think of it like LoTP… every feral (at 60) brings LoTP… why make bears have to choose between actualling being a tank and bringing the feral raid buff…???
I 100% agree to make people choose between bear and cat as “mainspec” and thats why SoTF should be a leg rune… if ur bear u pick SoTF… if ur cat you pick savage roar… MUCH more balanced imo
Bear benefits from Wild strikes SO MUCH but obv not from savage roar
why not make ferals have to choose between cat/bear on the leg slot … cuz as of right now there is no “required” bear leg rune… half the time i run around with starsurge or lifebloom tbh