You know how dumb this argument is and how many times I have heard this? Let me guess you have no opinion on any sports because you don’t play professionally?
Lol, you’re the troll here. The very next line I said “I’m not. Which is why I won’t comment on it. And you shouldn’t either.”
You’re the troll. Go start a thread about how good druid feels in LFR and leave the other topics to people actually running at that level.
Ok lets use this then. Every player, coach, and caster at a professional levels says one thing.
You think another.
Clearly ALL the professional, high level, experts are wrong. Because you’re actually “Good Will Hunting” level wicked smart and you see what they are all missing. Right?
This makes no sense. You commented in this thread to say your own opinion shouldn’t matter but your opinion is my opinion shouldn’t matter? Good one
And that is all you have. As I said, EVERYTHING you said in this entire thread, all these walls of text, the only thing you’re saying is:
“If someone manages to do a +20 with a Guardian it means it is viable”.
First things first, just to point out how PATHETIC your “crusade for the right use of the term viable” is… It is clear as day that Guardian has problems. It is clear as day that people have their reasons to be mad about Guardians underperformance compared with the others tanks, it’s obvious and blatant all of that… But you… Nahh, you want to dispute the usage of the term VIABLE in the thread that was OBVIOUSLY CONTEXTUALIZED as a CLASS BALANCE proportion…
Just can’t express enough how PATHETIC your “I know there is a issues with Guardians but don’t use the term VIABLE, NOT THIS ONE”… Your kind…
Now, that said, lets dispute the term.
Any word use must be contextualized. To use words without context is what we call nominalism, it is what usually happens when kids are learning a language. Are you a kid?
So, when people complain about Guardian viability as a spec, they’re contextualizing the entire scenario. If my class struggle to do something while no other class do, why will people invite me?
Will people at the internet need to explain to you that not getting invites to do content because your class is clearly underperforming makes it not viable to play with that class (since, you know, you can’t play alone)? Or at least here, your capabilities are enough to grasp?
Can’t use that because unless you’re running the top tank, top healer, and top 3 DPS, you’re “technically” a hindrance to your group (according to the forum goers)
Unreasonably difficult =/= not viable as some people are trying to make it out to be
I’m actually running M+ at the 18ish level, where it gets really difficult, and I’m relaying my experience in being a Guardian druid at the ~18 keystone level. Where its hard. And that’s what I comment on.
Ummm there are many varied opinions on this board, to say EVERYONE feels one way because a few fringe players comment on the forums is speculative at best. Try again troll
I never denied they had problems. Again, I have advocated for buffs for the class as well. Needing buffs to be more in line doesn’t stop them from being designed and balanced enough to do the content that was created. Get that through your head
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Ok tell us why its too hard for you then instead of trying to devalue my opinion.
Its not a checklist if thats what your asking as there are many factors. Below are just a few as im sure others can contribute.
- Not needing to be over geared to do the same content as other tanks
- Not needing specific comps in order to be able to do content.
- Not having to do double the work to do the same content
- Having sufficient mitigation tools like the other tanks.
I think you have a good list here but this one has nothing to do with viability
It is NOT balanced nearly enough to do the content, since it is OBVIOUSLY underperforming, with ALL DATA pointing it out. And it is OBVIOUS that groups are not INVITING guardians to +20s because of the OBVIOUS lack of balancing, and therefore since people CAN’T PROPERLY PLAY their chosen class due to OBVIOUS lack of balancing, the class OBVIOUS UNDERPERFORMANCE that is CLEAR with all the DATA, the class is OBVIOUS not viable because you can’t play alone.
Okay so let’s narrow that down a bit and just talk about M+ for now. There are people offering self-play boosts all the way up to M25, where all you need to do is just afk. Do you think 4 man groups are viable?
Pretty sure those are not real. Considering the highest ranked warrior tank has 25s as their best runs for some dungeons.
Yeah maybe 25s are a big high, but considering there are records of people clearing 27s, I’m sure having an afk in a 20s is doable. Which is what Grizzle is using as a criteria for viability.
Good point. Anything sub optimal would be considered a hindrance. The more I think about this the more I am thinking Bear tank situation is no different than other sub optimal classes at the moment, it just gets amplified because its a tank class and being dropped at high keys by trash is much more noticeable than say one dps doing low numbers.
Again you dont know what your talking about… For example in HoV, on Hyrja, the beam/knockback cast between phases must be mitigated at higher keys. Sadly, we dont have enough cooldowns to mitigate every one. I’ve been one shot at full life from that ability due to not having away way to mitigate it on higher keys. Being one shot when geared properly by an unavoidable mechanic that doesn’t one shot other tanks is not viable. That’s just one example. Again, I dont expect you to understand due to your low ilvl and lack of experience on end game content.
How is this possible, you have bark skin, survival instincts, rage of the sleeper. I dont need to do that dungeon on a higher key to tell you I have a defensive ready for every beam when I play. You are just bad
EDIT: This explains alot about your posts , you have been lucky enough to be carried in keys but are actually a bad if you cant manage CDS for that fight
I don’t know about that either…
179 Guardian druids before hitting a 19
1,378 Prot Warriors before hitting a 19
192 DHs before hitting a 19
372 Blood DKs before hitting a 19
240 BrM before hitting a 19
426 Prot Pallys before hitting a 19
This proves 2 things, 1 prot warriors are the favorite tank and 2 Guardian is basically on par with everyone else…