I’ve honestly sat back and just watch you troll people and its pretty sad that you go through this much work to troll people when the evidence is overwhelming. I do higher keys, I raid higher content and I can comfortably say the other tank classes can easily tank better then us in far worse gear. The only tank I don’t really have a read for it monks as there doesn’t seem to be many monk tanks around. I was doing Heroic Brood the other night a super under geared Blood DK joined the raid. It was clear that due to his lower ilvl he was taking significantly more damage then I was however he was able to self heal through it all. Its troublesome that you come on here and make blanket statements like the one quoted above with no supporting evidence. I’ve got no problem with constructive banter to help improve and make a more well rounded game but please just stop throwing out unsupported comments when people are trying to get a clearly broken class fixed.
Its not about who can tank better, its about can you tank it or not. I have seen very few complaints on this forum about druid tanks in raid content
I was using the above as an example. As for your comment about “its not about who can tank better”… sure it is. People pay to play this game with the understanding it is going to be balanced and fun. The majority of people do not want to have to 110% of the work just to be equivalent to the guy rolling his face on the keyboard, over having to be 10+ ilvl’s over the guy next to him to tank the same content. You dont need to take my word for it, go to raider io and look at the numbers for higher keys. You wont see druids for a reason. At the end of the day balance isnt perfect however all tank classes should be somewhat competitive within narrow margins. Currently there is a giant canyon between druids and other tanks.
They should implement something where you can have more than one character…oh wait
EDIT: I dont normally say this but you should just switch to your war rather than pen a love letter to them on these forums one post at a time
Again with the troll posts. Many people work and have families. For most people it takes alot of time to gear one character in order to progress to higher keys. Simply running one or two keys a day wont get you anywhere close to being able to do 20’s before the season is over but now you expect people to have multiple characters that they can switch to at the drop of a patch? That logic is silly any you know it. Nobody here is complaining about low level keys, normal and heroic dungeons etc. People are talking about pushing higher content such as mythic raids and/or higher mythic+ keys. Players should not be punished by having to drop the character they have developed over the years for the new flavor of the month patch to patch. That would be a poor design which would cost Blizzard business in the long run and push players away.
No I am just saying for you in particular every post you mention how good the war is and how easy they have it. If you are pushing 20 keys you have time to gear up another char I think stop trying to turn druids into prot wars
EDIT: Also if you can do 20 keys on druid you obviously have the skill level needed to play another tank, i would just sideline your bear if it is no longer fun
Perhaps you should play the class at higher then entry level before making comments about their development. Based on your profile it looks like you have not spent much time on the class at all this expansion. With an ilvl of 367, a M+ 1637 and the highest key of +12 it proves you dont have the experience to back up the claims you make.
I dont know where you got these numbers but they are inaccurate. My druid is ilevel 388 and i have done keys up to 14. You have done 20s on prot war?
EDIT: I ask about 20s on prot war because you are saying its easier than druid, so i am assuming you have done 20s on both classes ?
My issue, as a guardian main on and off since BC.
I tank for my guild in raiding we arent pushing hard or anything. My co tank is a warrior. They take about half as much damage as me on heroic bosses. I have a higher ilvl too.
Heroic terros last night I was getting hit for 111k-180k from melee hits. While he was taking 40k damage after his mitigation. Obviously I’m using ironfur and other Cds.
Currently, I don’t care if guardian isn’t FOTM. I just want to be able to push keys and help my guild with raid… I know if I leveled a warrior It would be so easy to perform better. But I’ve been playing my druid since I was like 13 and I love it and thats what I want to play. I’ve been thru all the ups and downs with guardian. I’m just amazing on how poor we are performing this expansion. I hope they actually balance this out sooner or later.
Guardians completing Mythic raids and m20s = viable. They are more than capable of doing such. They are entirely viable.
You’re trying to over complicate it because you can’t handle that simple fact. There is no shame in saying that Bears are viable, but you’d still appreciate some buffs to help bring them in line with Prot Warriors and BDKs. But for some reason you cannot bring yourself to do that. It’s strange really.
I never said “everything was fine”. I’ve advocated for buffs the entire time as I do see other peoples points. I’m arguing against the tirade of “bears aren’t viable because they’re not ez mode”.
But there’s data out there proving otherwise. Including many in this thread.
I don’t think I’ve responded to anyone who’s used the “my Warrior at lower ilvl” argument yet.
I never disagreed with this. I’ve always been on the mindset that they should
be better balanced. I’m also not naive enough to imagine that it’s as simple as “oh add this ability and now everything is within 5% of the top”.
When random joes are doing it, it’s viable. Random joes are doing it. 2 + 2 = ?
I’ve never said otherwise.
The evidence is readily available for anyone who wants it. I’m not the one claiming Guardian is the only one who can’t do what other tanks do without needing more gear. But that’s every tank. This is how power rankings work.
Who’s the #1 tank right now? Prot Warriors. They are able to do the most with the least. If BDKs were equal to Prot Warriors, the numbers would reflect that. But they’re not. They need just a little more than Warriors. Prot Paladins need a little more than BDKs who needed a little more than Warriors to achieve the same thing. All the way down the line. My statement is true if we use the guy I quoted logic. The best is the best. Second is second best because he needs a little more than the first. Same applies to third compared to second. And fourth compared to third. I’m not wrong.
Show me what’s not supported. And I’ll show you the numbers that support what I’m saying.
Again, I’m all for buffing Monks and Druids. But I will shut down hyperbolic arguments based on “feelings”.
Good thing you said you don’t need that same gear and time to be as successful on the Warrior then eh? 
Oh ok yeah fair enough, he prob has some gear on I just did the mage tower so he is wearing some funky gear, his normal ilevel is 388 though
EDIT: Yes he has on an ilevel 44 trinket
Hi, can you please clarify what your definition of “viable” means? From reading the thread it seems like your definition is something along the lines of “able to clear 20s”. Is that accurate? Is that your only criteria?
https://www.google.com/search?q=viable+definition&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&hl=en-us&client=safari
Capable of doing the content that the game is designed and balanced around. On top end of the 3 pillars that would be: m20, mythic raids, 3v3.
Seeing as they are able and capable to do so. They are viable.
What is with the epidemic of druids who do absolutely 0 difficult content thinking they should have a loud voice about what feels balanced or reasonable for tanking in difficult content?
If you’re happy doing LFR, stay in LFR. And stay out of discussions about high-difficulty content because you’re out of your depth.
This is a good definition , the only thing I would add to it to apply to an MMO is “without being a hindrance to your group”.
Hard LOL on this if you think raiding in WOW is high difficulty content
EDIT: you are a guilded 7/8 on normal difficulty raiding lol, you can PUG that with any tank in the game with zero issues
Hate to say it but if Guardian was the most desirable tank then DF Druid would be the best designed class in the history of WoW, as every class has always had at least 1 of their specs in the dumpster. Currently, feral, balance and resto are all in the upper echelon of play - one more spec and it’s the ultimate class. I’m ok with where it is. There’s always got to be a top performer and a bottom, right now it’s bottom. Big deal.
Most of us won’t get to the level where it matters (0.000001%ers). A more accurate representation would be finding out what the average level key is, then looking at the spread of tanks at that level and then seeing how it changes over the next 5 levels, top performers is completely irrelevant to the rest of the population. You’re comparing your typical daily driver to a F1 driver and it’s a really poor comparison. For some people maybe they just prefer to play a class - i prefer to heal on a monk despite all the crap they get and i typically do better than 99% of meta healers i encounter. I prefer to dps on a Fire Mage, and will typically only play my mage as fire. I hated Arcane since Firelands. I tank on a Guardian - I like not having to worry about active mitigation and i enjoy the plethora of DR CDs. That’s how i play the game, and i’m sure some other people do things similarly. Calling it a dumpster fire is pretty egregious, saying it’s worst since the changes is hyperbole.
Whether I do or don’t, how would you know? Are you tanking mythic Raz as a bear? If you’re not, you don’t belong in the discussion.
I’m not. I don’t raid right now. I won’t comment on how hard raiding as a bear is. I do M+. It’s hard. Other M+ bears in here, some who are actually clearing 20s, agree its unreasonably difficult. Who are you? How do you feel any qualification to opine and tell an actually accomplished person their opinion is wrong?
I’m sure you give great medical advice to your doctor and legal advice to your lawyer, because you watched a youtube video and googled something once.
You’re not an expert here.
Yep. I literally did pug that. I don’t raid with this guild. I haven’t raided this seasons except to see the bosses. I do M+ here and there. But I WAS a former mythic raider. And I know I have no business commenting on how hard something is that I’m not doing.
well then neither do you seeing you have not killed him in normal difficulty, go away troll