Ok, I wanted to stay out of this argument since I don’t really participate in BfN, but this is really hypocritical.
Here’s what I don’t get. Ruin has brought in multiple raid groups into a BfN and caused a lot of zone lag but had no problem with it. This being said, the argument I’ve heard from a lot of Ruin members or supporters is that if the Horde doesn’t like it, they should bring in more to fight since we are the “dominant population” in War Mode, and that we shouldn’t have any problem with it.
I don’t know who M10 is. I never heard of them until this thread. Reading off of the recent comments, they brought in raid groups as well to try to counter Ruin. Now, you’re saying it’s wrong and will cause server crashes?
Durr, captain obvious. Of course it’ll cause a server crash. The reason it didn’t cause a server crash when you guys brought in 2 or 3 raid groups is because it was just Alliance doing it. How do you expect Horde to win without bringing in the same amount of players?
Solution to avoid server crashes? Maybe don’t bring in multiple raids. You don’t need more than 1 raid group to win a BfN. I dislike it when both Horde and Alliance bring in a raid or more because it’s a lagfest and is just freeze frame WPvP at that point.
We had no problem with it, because they are quick wins and then we bounce shards, freeing up the zone for normal activity. We aren’t seeking to make servers unplayable lol.
No. First off, there are very few Ruin members that post on the forums period. If they are drawn to any engagements on the forums it’s from people linking these threads in discord.
Secondly, the majority of our arguments boiled down to: Horde win most of the other phases we aren’t in, and they form groups in group finder all of the time. This wasn’t an issue at all even before M10 or whoever they are.
What? They HAVE caused server crashes and they have people in here saying they are ok with doing it, despite the fact that blizzard has and will bring out the banhammer for people intentionally crashing the servers. Now there are people dumb enough to support the idea of doing it on some ill-conceived crusade.
How about, I dunno, hopping to the billion other shards where Ruin isn’t and Horde are dominating? I had no problem finding such shards when both of my main toons were Horde side, so I don’t see how it’s a problem now other than people whining about a non-existant problem.
No, you are intentionally causing server instability because you KNOW that the server lag is already bad when Alliance are there yet you continuously bring more people in anyway.
You have consistently failed to see that.
You need to be sterilized so you don’t taint the human gene pool any further.
No one cares that you don’t like us. You’re irrelevant in the grand scheme of things and how we conduct our day to day affairs.
Lol hypocrisy:
You 1) claimed you wiped 4 raid groups of Ruin over a box fight that didn’t actually happen
then you shifted the goalposts to: Ruin brought 4 raids and wiped and lost a battle (that we were never seriously engaged in, much less with 4 raid groups)
then it shifted to: Watch the stream! (That refutes what you said, which you then went on to make up your own version of events with)
We don’t run multi-raid phases and haven’t since October. You are completely making up (projecting) whatever nonsense you want to fit your narrative. There were exactly 3 raids in ONE phase of BFN (that wasn’t the phase you were talking about). Myself and like 4-5 other people were in a phase scouting when we saw M10 drop 4 raids into the shard.
Originally going to fight them but someone kept screwing up the anchor process so we decided to fight in the phase Arch was in.
Nothing you say or do makes sense. Once you run afoul of whatever cesspool you’re in now, you’ll scurry onto the forums badmouthing Horde again and sucking our teat like you were doing before MI10 showed up.
Don’t get me wrong. I’m sure Ruins intent isn’t to make servers unplayable. That’s not what I’m saying at all. Bringing in multiple raid groups is an indirect effect to making servers near unplayable. Is it your intent? No. Does it make the servers lag badly though? Yes. It does. You know bringing in multiple raid groups will do this. Don’t deny that either because we both know Blizzards servers aren’t the best, and can barely support 40v40 as it is.
That’s the problem. You’re expecting quick wins so you can server hop to the next one. From what you’re saying, you’re intentionally bringing in multiple raid groups to get quick wins without any chance at opposition. Whenever said opposition does come, it’s all of a sudden Horde’s fault for causing a server crash because they decided to fight against you?
Exactly my point. Any shard you aren’t in, yet you just said you bounce from shard to shard to get quick wins. You’re basically admitting to not wanting any opposition or retaliation from Horde. A random normal shard you hop into can’t fight off 2 or 3 Ruin raid groups.
They didn’t cause it purposely. Just like how Ruin isn’t causing zone lag purposely. It’s an indirect effect of trying to fight off Ruins massive raids, that Ruin decides to bring in. You’re literally saying right here that no one should try to oppose Ruin in BfN because it’ll cause server crashes. You don’t say, Sherlock? As I said, don’t bring in multiple raid groups.
Again, this point is mute because you hop to other shards anyway. You’re literally expecting Horde to hop to other phases just to get their win. Once they hop a phase, who’s to know you don’t hijack that one too, considering you just said yourself you hop phases.
You DO everyday ON LIVE STREAM.
WANT me to MAKE an alliance alt TAKE a screenshot of RUIN listings iN LFG?
KEK
Jeevus GEEVUS why DO u lie so much?
STREAMS dont lie.
No ONE on horde brings 4 RAIDS.
SERIOUS question.
Why NOT just bring 1 raid per realm?
why 4 per realm?
You CAN ACHIEVE more by being on 12 REALMS even if you lose 2 of them you STILL WIN 10! Right NOW you WIN 3, out of that MI10 apparently RUNS u out of YOUR own server or ends UP in a crash.
Yeah, this just proves my point. You’re basically saying no one should try to fight against Ruin, and instead just let them win on the phase to avoid server crashes. Again, hypocritical because you’re bringing in multiple raid groups as it is, and you’re admitting here that you know the lag gets bad with them here, but when Horde does the same, it’s suddenly their fault for all of the lag and server crashes.
Yes, it is. And the knowledge of server instability already existing and that they’ve already caused server crashes, but still steaming ahead makes them the guilty party.
You realize why the server instability is there to begin with, right? It’s there because you decide to bring in multiple raid groups for a BfN.
How do you expect Horde to win that? How do you expect them to win without bringing in the same amount of people? Answer that question.
Again, maybe don’t bring multiple raids. It’s War Mode. Expect opposition. If Ruin just brought 1 raid group, Horde could bring another raid group and have an even fight without worrying about crashing the server.
Saying neutral in this argument. I just wanted to say that Horde general chat was blaming the huge ally raid on the fact that there was a huge horde raid farming new home. So really it sounds a lot like a case of cause and affect.
Was okay I guess. Requires more setup. Definitely would need to change keybindings around to make more sense and I don’t care to do that for something so stupid, but clutch as a shift modifier would be something useful. Probably easier to use an Xbox controller. Might just try that.
No no, it’s exactly a case of cause and affect. Ruin will bring in multiple raid groups to try to dominate the shard. This causes Horde to bring in multiple raids as well to try to fight them back. The server lags, presumably even crashes if what I heard was right, and is the effect of that.
Yeah, this is what I assumed as well. From the sound of it, they just want to fight back against Ruin, and will bring in the same amount of people they do in order to do so.
EXACTLY they NEED to stop bringing 4 raids ITS NOT even REQUIRED, its THEM causing the crash, OFCOURSE horde at SOME point will try TO FIGHT back LIKE we have SEEn in the last 2 weeks, multiple SERVER crashes, RUIN running from their own TICHONDRIUS SERVER.
HE is brainless IS why HE should be KICKED from ruin, WHY does ruin recruit SUCH brainless PEOPLE that DO NOT understand the basics.
People ARE winning BFNS with 1 raid groups or NON at all.