Ok ok 1 hour 1 raid still reasonable
Now under GDKP systems itâs 1 hour + Money to buy your gear, unless youâre in that top guild that farms all itâs gear then 15 members farm 5 bad players their gear for their gold. In a system that rewards the top tier and gives lower skilled players unnecessary gear increases, which then makes things like PVP and pugging normally even harder, as people see a person with gear, presume they know what theyâre doing and get punished for it.
Understood, have you participated in any gdkps? Iâm just wondering because you are only listing the negative side of things
In WotLK, yep. Guild hosted a few, pulled in bad players and did exactly what was described, those 5 players got all the loot and our guild got all the gold. It was a positive for our guild, but I donât see this as a positive. This was a negative to me, a kindâve dirty way to get stolen, bot-farmed gold that people used real life money to obtain. It didnât feel good to get.
I see, gdkps are more beneficial for people who play guildless, they allow rmt a big advantage for sure, but most the people who do them do them as a way not to get gear but gold no one actively trying to get gear should do them I feel as though itâs not about gdkp anymore but the freedoms of choices that have been stripped they also benefit alts and fully geard people only after 1 item
You just said it, most people are doing it as a way to carry and get gold and carry bad players into getting the gear they no longer need.
That is exactly correct.
Itâs not a good thing, as theyâre taking bot farmed gold by players that quite frankly are the types to buy gold to get carried in Choreghast because theyâre so bad they literally -canât-. And then they get inflated gear, achievements, etc, and theyâre that player you took to your M+ 22 that is doing a quarter of everyoneâs damage and keeps wiping on every mechanic and kills the run.
These arenât good things btw.
Would you be willing to compromise if you had a choice on whether it would be reimplemented
No, Iâd never want to see it implemented. Itâd destroy the economy even more as weâve already been over. It only benefits the top players, it doesnât even really help the bad players, as they donât actually get better, they just get a sense of entitlement and feel the gear and achievements entitle them to get into better groups.
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What if blizzard had a major announcement with spam emails that all gold buying and selling going forward would be a permanent unappealable ban
I mean, if you ban all botting or illegal gold transactions and people could be responsible with this, sure. But you wouldnât want that. Do you think the people that are horrible at WoW are out farming gold normally? Youâd lose 90% of the people willing to pay for gear.
But sure, if that occured and Blizzard truly banned all the illegal gold farm/sell, Iâd absolutely reconsider.
Ahhh so blizzards part of the issue we need to stop fighting all of each other and get them to uphold their end of the users agreement. Because as of now itâs common knowledge that u get a two week ban if caught.
Hey, you can get on that one my friend. I donât think they have the manpower or care.
Well
The Open ended threat of a public announcement of iriversabl consequences would be enough to deter majority i believe they could tie it in with a bluff of new technology tracking trade activity a policy change announcement will fix the problem
Might fix it for a bit but word would spread quite quickly once it got outtâd as a lie and then Blizzard would have SUPER angry fanbases once more and everyone quitting.
Iâm surely they can auto flag purchases and trades based on a threshold, perhaps 500g a week printing investigation let the bitters bott but nail em on the transaction phase
Youâre still trying to reason with someone who doesnât understand that bots keep consumable prices low? Good luck
He said heâd reconsider if we get a PSA from blizzard the real problems been identified
Issue with what youre saying is you said you raided in WOTLK Classic, that version of the game had 50k+ gold payouts.
If you actually played that version im assuming you can agree with that?
My point is in that version with 50k+ payouts for something like 12/12h icc, on a server that has had bots on it and gdkps since its inception (Bene Alliance) and yet raiding was cheaper than on SOD.
If what youre saying is true and gdkps inflate the economy then why on a server like Benediction Alliance with 50k+ payouts back then were raid consumes like 4-10g/ea???
If what youre saying is true and gdkps factually inflate the economy and the price of consumes why are consumes pennies compared to any gdkp payout?
Why werent consumes 500g/ea?
Bots putting work in, likely much harder to ban them than the gold buyer and sellers. Let the boys roam and kill em at the source that is the u.s.d
But hes saying they charge alot based on the gold.
Why werent those bots farming materials charging prices that reflect gdkp payouts?