Even with your amended / edited “irony”, its still a completely personal anecdote
And even with your inability to read friends as more then one, it’s a lot more proof that at the very least bots aren’t ‘running the AH’.
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As long as we all agree gdkps do not increase the cost of raid consumes.
it was really hilarious watching you spam edit that comment over and over, i can only imagine the confused look on your face as the little orange edit pen kept popping up
I’m glad you got one thing on me. Make sure you focus in on JUST that, and not things like your inability to understand context and spam quoting things out of said context because of it.
Actually f me, with how you handled this editing thing you’re NEVER going to own up to a single flaw. LOL You’re going to find weird little reasons for everything. “B-but you said the word…BOT in this sentence here, CLEARLY you were talking about THIS THE WHOLE TIME!!!” Let’s just stop talking, we’re never gonna get anywhere but angry with one another it’d seem. lmao
remember that time you compared people who disagreed with you to axis members? or that time you said only top tier players in wotlk use a flask? or that time sod didn’t have a problem with bots? or that time the economy got inflated by gdkps and you couldn’t name a single item at any time that was inflated? or that time there was no trade restrictions on sod?
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Pepperidge farm remembers.
incase he edits it
“i was only comparing you to hitler supporters! i wasn’t saying you were hitler supporters!”
not strong on the analogy front
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I don’t think GDKPs directly increase prices. More of a chain reaction.
People are more likely to buy gold and be willing to spend more, GDKPers get more gold in pocket, sellers might see their stuff sell too easily or quickly and raise their prices accordingly.
Its what I think when I am trying to corner the market. “Oh that was fast, maybe higher next time.”
I mean you can set the prices to whatever you want but that doesn’t mean the 2000 flasks before yours aren’t massively cheaper
I find progression fun.
I can have fun playing other games or in general doing other things which feel more rewarding than spending ~2h in a frustrating MS>OS where I actually LOSE gold (consumes, repair etc) and spend time getting buffs for zero/negative reward.
I am shocked you cannot understand that people who play an MMORPG may be interested in a playstyle which promotes character progression, and that you seem to believe the concept of fun only exists in one version of this one game.
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I find the prices more or less stabilize at whatever somebody is willing to pay though. Higher on the weekends and lower during the week but more or less stable.
Progression is fun. Its a shame it isn’t like it is in retail where everyone gets a loot drop for them specifically with ever stat under the sun on it.
I think everyone here hates WoW coins but doesn’t see that GDKP can be directly correlated with gold buying.
It’s actually funny because the gdkp community is so big.
I think when the people in the forums think of gdkps they can only grasp trade chat and not the fact that we have a community discord
So can the auction house.
So can literally anything that involves gold
I firmly of the belief that the vast majority of anti-gdkp shriekers have never participated in an organized GDKP.
Keyword there, organized, this does not include random trade chat pugs formed by some indo gold farmer with no disc usage.
Yup, my guild most likely hosts the biggest gdkp discord in all of classic.
It’s a whole community of solid players.
It isn’t the trade chat gdkps they think it is where you get 5 whales and they stand afk at the entrance.
It’s all good players gearing up alts or their mains in an environment that is better than all the pug raids in trade chat.
Good players have gold, shocker.
Also riddle me this, if MS>OS is so good why don’t I see pug discord servers being advertised in trade chat getting good players in their like a gdkp discord?
You’re welcome to hold that opinion. Doesn’t mean its true. Just between the basic prices of things during SoD and classic era being greatly inflated is a decent indicator. More money in the market, more easily accessible and legitimized means some easy inflation.
Gold buying is far less relevant when the only real price tags you have are mounts and BoEs.
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After years of hosting and participating in PUGs of all kinds, as a GM/RL and host/leader of various PUG communities, some things are much more clear to me than others on these forums who seemingly don’t actually play the game that much.
I’ve only encountered 1 MS>OS community that wasn’t simply a revolving door of fresh alts scumming some easy gear, or total broke and clueless noobs that were complete dead weight on the group.
And this MS>OS community was actually a soft reserve group which would sell occasional hard reserves on things like valynr shards or glaives, with the organizers pocketing the profits.
The simple matter is that organizing a GOOD QUALITY raid takes time and effort. The only thing that will provide motivation for an individual or group to repeatedly provide a good quality, reliable and consistent raid environment is gold. People are predictable and its very very rare to encounter someone who is willing to work for a bunch of strangers for literally no reward, and MS>OS provides literally no reward to leadership.
What does this result in? Nearly all MS>OS runs are operated by people who are NOT emotionally or financially invested in the success of the run, this means a run full of poor decisions, lack of care and little to no screening of players. As a result, geared / competent players who understand this will AVOID these runs, meaning the pool that MS>OS are recruiting from is even more low quality.
Overall, leading to a simple summary that MS>OS runs are full of noobs and generally suck to be part of.
My main interest in GDKP was the faster, more consistent and overall more organized raid. It would be less frustrating and more enjoyable, and contain much less conflict. The gold was an added bonus for someone who brings their A game every time as an incentive to come back next week and do the same again.
The incentive for MS>OS? Come back next week and get outrolled by a fresh set of undergeared idiots.
I would use MS>OS runs as a springboard for my fresh dinged alts for 2 weeks, turning up in absolute poo grade gear, leeching easy drops and then taking that alt to a GDKP as soon as it was reasonable to do so.
I do wonder who is buying all the gold from the dozens of incursions bots i see when leveling up yet another alt when GDKP doesn’t exist anymore.
There is nothing to spend gold on, right? Why would the bots continue to operate? Weird.
My issue is that it just creates boosters.
I’m a fresh 60, I see that theres nothing but GDKPs around so I go out and farm gold or buy it from the sketchy website. I get that gold, fully kit myself and then get in line behind the other boosters. There’s a whole market action that is wiped out without a GDKP involved.
I get the attraction, I turn my time played and gear obtained into a valuable resource that someone else gets to turn into gear in exchange for gold that they farmed for this purpose.
I’d have less problems with it if the gold bot farmers were laid to rest with more finality. Though I don’t like the idea of a fresh green 60 whipping out his wallet and dumping a thousand bot farmed gold into the eco.
I know weird issue to have with gold an infinite resource, but at least it takes that person time, either in providing a service or gathering a resource or selling a product. Those bots don’t interact with the economy at all except to provide the gold buyers with gold so they don’t have to play.