This is hilarious coming from someone who wanted to create software solutions to combat toxicity.
You would always push for anything to make information more readily available and digestible at a glance rather than having to dig and search for the answer otherwise development cycles would be hilariously inefficient because people would be all the time asking for where stuff is.
First of all I donât believe you for a moment.
Second that doesnât mean you know anything about the dungeons. For example on the sky captain fight in Freehold what is the job of ranged? You could have every single world first up to legion (which you donât) and you still could get your group killed by not knowing causing lust to be burnt and a failed key. Game over all because Mr world rank 1 experience (whatever that means since you obviously didnât get world first or you would have said that instead)doesnât know the fights and wants to be carried.
Ok so of arena rating wasnât in the game by default and it was an addon called âarena ioâ then it should be banned too right? Cos people doing 2400 rated arena should carry my scrub behind to weekly cap right?
Lol
This reverse argumentation wont work with me, because im going to tell you straight up âyesâ.
If it forces one of the two play styles (pvp, or pve) to do extensive amounts of the part the player does not want to be involved in, it should not exist.
it actually already works that way in many cases, btw 2400 is not that high in arena.
Thatâs fine at least you are saying you are consistent but I do disagree fundamentally
Then that is what you dis like. Feeling forced to pve. Much like I dis like feeling forced to pvp (which I just donât do).
You should focus on that rather than a rating system since if io didnât exist it wouldnât make pvp gearing any better and so wouldnât solve your actual problem at all.
No since no one would be dumb enough to group with me.
Sounds like youâre asking about this in the wrong way. It sounds like you have no issue with a rating system for M+, as you clearly donât have an issue with arena ratings. It sounds like your sole problem lies in the fact that the rating system is generated by a third party.
So if bliz implemented their own system that was in all intents and purposes identical to IO, then youâd be fine with it?
Iâd be fine with bliz implementing their own identical bliz-made IO system personally (though they do tend to have a habit of reducing functionality when they do this), but⌠this would literally change nothing other than where and how the information was displayed? Surely theyâd have to add an in-game UI to display the information, just like IO does currently as well (and just like they do for arena ratings right now).
I fail to see how this would stop requiring you to âgrind a rating to be invited to keys.â The only difference is that weâd have a blizzard made UI function to use to continue to decline you.
Again, I return to⌠I donât think 2400 players should be required to help me get my weekly cap and retain a weekly 1800 arena rating. Similarly⌠players pushing +18âs comfortably (let alone those pushing +20 and above) shouldnât be required to carry your butt to +15. They also shouldnât be forced to invite you to their group on the off chance that you happen to be one of the players that actually is way better than their score indicates.
Edit: Heck⌠letâs assume you are one of those players whoâs vastly over-skilled for the content. Then you really shouldnât have a problem grinding that score up⌠It doesnât really take that long tbhâŚ
According to wow armory, something blizzard made and not a âMODâ or addon, your raiding experience is limited to 1 single boss from uldir in LFR. Thatâs ârank 1 world raid experienceâ?
People who cant be honest about their ingame experience is why IO is a thing. Youâre the problem here.
Iâm also confused by what he means by ârank 1 world raid experience.â Did he kill the new world boss first?
we do not claim this one
itâs a classic case of: Itâs on my brotherâs account /shiftyeyes
I love the ones who say âmy main is 2kââŚwell get on your main then!
Itâs true for âhighâ keys but itâs really easy to find a group if all you want is do your weekly +10. My paladin IO is bad and i can get into a +10 easily as ret despite ret not being a very good spec right now.
Itâs true that at âhighâ key it can be a problem. I have done five or six +15 in time but since iâm just a hunter thereâs absolutely no way i can get an invite in a +15 even one of those i did in time.
I could spam Join an entire night in the group finder without getting a single invite. Same for the raid tried to find a heroic carapace group this weekend and applied to like 10 newly formed group with just 2-3 persons in and got no invite despite having completed the raid in heroic.
Itâs a problem with high end contents specially if you play a class/spec with a bad reputation but it always has been a problem even before IO and group finder it was hard to get an invite in LFG chat for high end content if you did not have a reputation on the server.
Is 2k even impressive? Iâve never been 2k since i donât pvp but last season i got to 1700 rating by casually doing arenas with a warrior and priest (very far from being a good comp) to get my Conflict and Strife essence. So i assume getting from 1700 to 2k must not be that hard if you focus on it with a good comp?
I think he was talking about IO, not arena.
Youâre probably right i think i got lost between all the topics i replied to lately lol. ah sorry for that.
2k wont be that hard this season with two more dungeons and corrupted gears being almost broken. Iâm already at 1607 despite not having done Boralus yet and having only done KR once in +11. I think 2.5+k will be the thing that season.
This is the dumbest thread ive seen
Yea Iâm really curious what he actually means by that too.
Canât mean world first kill or he would have said it
Canât mean a rank 1 parse or he would have said it.
Itâs a really unusual phrasing
Short answer: No. Long answer: No because of thisâŚ
When pushing into high keys, thats where you tread through territory where you have to learn the routes, mechanics and even your classes toolkit and coordinate, doing a key above 14+ requires this, reason why IO is needed for pugs, a key above 14+ is not a push over, its not âeasyâ as you seem to see and mistakes you often make in a regular mythic or low level keys is often unforgivable in these high level keys. Also, there is a lot of these groups and the leader isnât feeling obligated to carry and thats the nature of the beast, get over it, its not because the leader is toxic nor elitist, its that he/she wants a smooth run with a decent coordinated group.
However, if you want to run a 15+ key without IO, please let this mold into your memory. There is some experiences within my guildmates and even myself with pugging, its a chance you will get good people or people who are not experienced with the said content, however in one of my guildmates run, he had a healer who died the most and ended up getting lost, which means to backtrack and get the healer⌠also as a prot warrior⌠he was out healing the healer, after the run he left and felt like it was a complete disaster after spending 20+ minutes in overtime, from mine I had couple there is one time I had sit and wait for a couple of seconds in Siege of Borulas for someone because that person was dying in the water 3+ times, ended up beating the timer by like 5 seconds left, I left the group and felt like the start was a disaster but smooth after that, there is a couple of examples I would like to mention but that would be alot. However, if you want to start that 15+ key without raider io, good luck, in most cases its either a make or break, mostly break, Not going to be a pleasant experience nor fun, may end up being a disaster, going to spend 20+ minutes, Iâm not responsible if you attempted this and your key depletes because someone leaves or the run was a disaster.
These are the reasons why IO is almost used in pugs to determine someones experience in the said dungeon level, its not because someone is not obligated to carry you for free gear, its not because someone wants a person to be a detrimental to their own key they want to push, the leader of the group wants a smoother run, its his group, his way of doing things when doing it. If you want to do M+, I would advice you, the OP and people here against IO to build your IO from scratch, learn the ways of M+ and your Classâs toolkit please do so if you want to get into high keys, make your own group or get a guild that runs M+ through the week or weekends.
Maybe heâs ranking his raiding experience the same way blizzard ranks capes, the higher the rank number the better, so heâs really low right now.
Unfortunately Blizzard was lazy to add the hero raid achievements in these latest expansions you need to know something so that if you had experience in the normal, I am not thinking the opposite of what I said but it works after the existence of the LFR.
You shut up, YOU SHUT UPâŚ
because I am not at the moment of yearning and remembering good moments of the WotLK⌠and worse if I have to mention referring to a pirated server unfortunately.
ohh⌠yeah⌠my 6.3k gearscore of my Rogue Assassination 80 what the times⌠
Of course a mod is needed for that process. It weeds out people who arenât compatible for the group. Just donât like it cause people disagree with you and donât like the answers and reasons weâre giving you.