Yeah, I don’t really care much either. lol
they show up every so often to disrupt the forum for a day or three.
It’ll settle down when they get bored and move along, as usual.
i’m your best friend!
You sure don’t, but I can be sure you’ll reply to me! 
blah blah another troll post
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The threads main points has been discussed. All we are now doing is going round and round. Can someone create a suggestion on how to fix the problem instead of pointing fingers playing the blame game?
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Many suggestions HAVE been posted in this thread, but whenever something is suggested there’s people that point out one flaw as if it’s earth shatteringly bad. there is no ONE FIX that will make everyone happy, but at this point three are arguably decent options:
1.) Revert the change so that after the first boss, no deserter penalty is given for removals and leavers, which will alleviate the factor of people getting kicked with a 30 minute debuff for seemingly trivial matters. Con is backfill for said removals and leavers.
2.) Place the loot at the end of the dungeon similar to M+, so that people who want loot are possibly less likely to be disruptive, thus completing the dungeon. Con is kicks before end will result in no loot.
3.) Limit vote kick initiations per day, per character/account to a number such as three. People would have to be selective with who they initiate a kick against, so that trivial matters / minor annoyances are perhaps less likely to be kicked. There is almost zero chance that there would be no vote kick reserves for a player being legitimately disruptive to the group, and vote kick happy players would be restricted from excessively kicking others.
There are no fix all solutions to that will solve everything. The “kick for no reason / kick before end of dungeon” trolls will abuse anything that is done, so I feel lessening the impact of those affected by bad actors is the better way to go, and bad actors can just be reported via in-game reporting tool.
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What if it was 4 people trolling? It happens.
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This is the main post
Then they kick the 1 person, which is the lesser of many evils.
4 people trolling 1 is a better alternative to 1 trolling 4.
But people want to point fingers at that one saying its always that persons fault.
“It’s all your fault you got kicked.”
Childish view. The 4 people should be punished.
Yes, this is a childish view. Why punish 4 people for not wanting to play with 1 person?
Who says that 1 is a troll?
Is being a troll the only reason for not wanting to play with others?
Then why are you doing group content?
To play with others. If there is a problematic, outlier of a person that the majority of the group does not want to play with, why should we be forced to keep them around?
It is not one persons decision to kick someone. It is the decision of the entire group.
This is the wrong mental attitude to have. Invalidating people because its never happened to you is in fact wrong.
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The problem is not the vote to kick. You are well within your rights to not have someone around.
The ENTIRE point is that 30 minutes because YOU and your 2 friends don’t want someone around is too much. People can “abuse” the system and kick others just because of simple reasons and its not fair to the person kicked to have 30 minutes plus the time in the dungeon PLUS both of the queue times before and after.
Someone made a good example about the “entire group” argument.
3 wolves and a sheep get to vote on who gets eaten for dinner. The wolves will always win but that doesn’t make it a fair choice for the sheep.
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I have been playing WoW for 12 years now and have not been Vote Kicked ever. If you are getting vote kicked then you need to figure out what YOU are doing wrong and correct it.
Vote Kick is working as intended and does not need to be changed.
aka “You’re a liar because i’ve never experienced this.”
This is so obtuse. Please stop invalidating others and victim blaming just because you’ve never been a victim.
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