well, if YOU were abusing something, do you think YOU wouldnt play games trying to exonerate your bad behavior? lol
exactly that in here with them.
They KNOW theyre mistreating other players…but they dont want to cope with the responsibility so they scapegoat blizzards BAD policies to justify themselves
just remove the timeout…problems solved.
no one whining about being ‘held hostage’.
no innocent players having their game time stolen by petulant children.
I said that cause people join and leave over and over. They have no incentive to completing a dungeon just one boss they want and leave. Which wastes peoples time finding replacements.
Which is why the deserter debuff exists, to disincentivize that type of behavior
That’s where the system should evolve to better handle backfilling instead of giving you a fresh run.
While it may seem unfair to some, if had begun a fresh run, and left, for whatever reason, then should you want to complete that run, either the system puts you in for the boss you need, or puts in at the beginning of the run and you must complete it to get to the boss you need.
I’d prefer the system be better balanced when placing people.
But it doesn’t, because people are still doing it. For one reason or another. If you’re deadset on keeping a 30 min debuff then the system has to evolve to better handle placement.
That’s poor logic.
Just because there are still people doing it doesn’t mean it doesn’t work.
Without it, it would be happening far more often.
We have laws and punishments in society to deter crime.
Sometimes people still do crime.
Without laws and punishments enforced, there are more of those crimes done.
That’s the same logic as saying, “The system is working as intended”, when it fact it can be improved on.
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It almost always is outside of a few trolls. Do you genuinely believe that every single person to have ever been vote kicked was wrongfully kicked?
Nah we’re going to stop for a minute without you trying to move the goalposts on the conversation.
The debuff is meant to deter people leaving groups.
It does work. It does deter that type of behavior. It is not 100% effective, but it does deter that behavior.
Just because people still leave doesn’t mean it’s not working to reduce the occurrences.
Not every kick no. But people do tend to exploit things a bit too much vote kick being one of those things.
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I’m not one trying to move goalposts. I’ve stated quite clearly my position that the system needs addressing. I’ve offered up suggestions on how it can be improved, so I’m not just blithely complaining, as you think I am.
I’ve even acknowledged that you have your opinion and I have mine, and Blizz has their’s.
But when I said it isn’t working, well that fact is obvious, because backfilling still occurs, people still leave dungeons and people are still getting kicked.
You want to say that it is, then I will ask how your insight differs from mine, as without the numbers we’re both very subjective on the point.
If you want things to improve, aside from eliminating the debuff, in my opinion, the fastest way to do it would be to improve the system when it comes to LFR. LFD might well benefit from the same improvement.
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EVERY system can be improved…doesnt matter what it is.
The vote kick worked for the abuses they designed it for, but its clearly found new abuses over the years and why its been altered already.
Modifying it further to tweak it isnt some horrific nightmare that some are making it out to be lol
You are never going to come up with a system that works 100% of the time.
EXACTLY.
I ran a few TW runs over a couple days. no less than three tanks bailed at the gate. One of them actually used some profanity which made it clear he wasnt happy with the dungeon itself, lol.
They bail if they want to…that timeout doesnt do SQUAT to hurt them…they’ll just swap characters and ride it out.
Given that TW badges can be moved around now…they got ZERO reason to get them on any particular character now too…so why wouldnt they bail if thats what theyre running for and they got into a dungeon they dont want to run.
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That’s fine, but that doesn’t mean we shouldn’t try.
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exactly…and no system is perfect and EVERY system can be improved…which is THE reason why this discussion occurs in the first place.
Just keep hammering out the ideas…clearly blizzard is ok with hearing them…and NO member here has the authority to stifle them
I never said you shouldn’t try to improve it
But if you’re saying that the reason this system “doesn’t work” is because it still happens, then you are effectively saying that the bar for a system that does work is 100% effectiveness
But you just agreed that you’ll never come up with a system that’s 100% effective
So now you need to find another way to show that this current system needs improvement and that your solution is better
I’m not a big dungeon runner anymore. I find it, distasteful?
You do bring up a valid point with transferable currency however, in that if someone wants to be a person to cause grief while targeting a specific currency, such as time walking badges, the debuff will do very little to stop them; if anything at all.
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yeah…I fully get you on that…we can see the distasteful behavior in these kick threads the last week that has ruined PUGs in this game.
Id LOVE to break out a shaman and heal again, but Im not doing it for these folks…not until something changes their abusive behavior.
only way to fix that is make the timeout Bnet wide…and even then that doesnt fix anything
Ive got like 5 Bnet accounts total…only three I use frequently…I could bounce around between them if I wanted to eating timeouts all day long lol