Bastion
The Path, The purpose, Devos being right about a flaw in the path, Uther, Arthas. The burden of Aghtia defenses against the void.
Thats a really great astonishing written. This lore team is phenomenal.
Maldraxxus
5 Houses (huge potential), Margraves dying like nothing, a place that strong souls can choose your form (huge potential) but everyone is a skeleton or a fat chunky of meat.
The elite main army of shadowlands being made a fool while Draka (a nobody) is just in charge of them right nowâŚ
Thats a really bad written, i donât know any kind of twist that can made Draka bringing order to elite army of death any sense. She is a good character but she was never meant to be a leader, she never had power or ambition to do it, makes absolutely no sense.
Looks like is not the same team working on lore.
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A) Everyone being a âfat chunk of meatâ is more a model limitation than what the zone reflects, in the same way that Iâm sure humans in WoW look different in-lore than they twelve faces theyâve given players and NPCs. Past that, it was covered towards the beginning that the Shadowlands filters things, that we as mortals have no frame of reference for in the living world, into something we can grasp. That might as well be something thatâs at play here - which is probably why characters like Vashj, Mograine and Draka are something we can recognize.
B) The elite army of the Shadowlands is being taken down from within due to subterfuge and deception. It does suck that Margrave Krexus died, I and most everyone would agree. Also, while Draka might not have as much lore as her husband, sheâs hardly a nobody. Itâs disingenuous to say that she was ânever meant to be a leaderâ because thereâs no standard of reference for what a leader should be. Thatâs wholly subjective.
I think youâre conflating âbad storyâ with âstory I donât like.â They are not the same thing.
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We talking about the eternal elite army of a whole realm.
Yes, she is a nobody with zero acomplishments.
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She was a solid warrior in life, she was just dead by the time we got to our point of view in the story. When she got to Maldraxxus, she likely moved up the ladder as anyone does.
Just because you donât see the accomplishments doesnât mean they arenât there.
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She has about the same level of characterization as Durotan, really, barring a few instances sheâs right there with him in many of his appearances. She has less moments, but the moments she has are impactful enough to give some measure of personality to her.
Like the start of the one novel where she sharply rebukes him for thinking he should go to this meeting (the trap) without her. Which lines up with her admonishing Thrall for leaving Aggra behind while he was on the alternate Draenor.
Also she was/is literally the mate of a clan chieftain and has always been shown as his equal. Each covenant has Azerothians there who step up and into the story, with the exception of Bastion (though if it turns out Kleia is from Azeroth, or Pelagos, Iâll find it hilarious). Who would we put in place of Draka as the Azerothian character for Maldraxxus? Mograine? Another male human character?
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To quote the Maldraxxi soldiers; Everyone needs to start somewhere.
I absolutely adore Maldraxxus. Drakka doesnât exactly razzle dazzle me but honestly none of the Barons do. Morgraine was the only one I disliked for awhile but only because heâd say
âThere important matters at hand, Maw Walkerâ
Every single time I came within 15ft of the guy. But he had some interesting story quests and got off his butt to help out with these important matters so weâre jake far as Iâm concerned.
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Broxigar.
Grom.
Literally anyone.
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Grom had his spotlight in Draenor, and we just got done with a whole expac where a Saurfang was more or less the protagonist.
Draka is a refreshing change of pace, and it seems like the only issue with her is that sheâs not as built up beforehand - which is still more than pretty much every major character in the stories that arenât Maldraxxus, so thatâs not exactly a problem if you ask me.
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So the issue isnât that sheâs an orc, but a female character? Iâm starting to sense a theme here. Gromâs been Gromâed to death, Broxigar wouldnât end up there, heâs more than earned his rest, that was his entire goal in the novels.
For any other orc characters, or âliterally anyoneâ the only difference is that Drakaâs a woman, because most characters in the game have about as much or less characterization as her.
Like, youâre telling me any of the âwarlordsâ from WoD have more characterization than she does? Or their mainstream Azerothian versions do? Iâll grant you Doomhammer, that would be neat, but theyâre more or less the same in appearances if you count her WoD appearances against his.
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I must remind you gentlemanâŚ
We are talking about the elite army of shadowlands.
We are dancing around Draka âcontextsâ trying to justify herâŚ
We talking about Draka, a character from the same universe as Broxxigar.
If you think they are comparable⌠i just have no words.
What exactly makes Draka unfit to lead aside from the fact that you donât like her? Hell, we donât even know if Brox ended up in Maldraxxus.
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Theres nothing to do with her gender.
Im talking she is nobody with zero acomplishments.
Yes, the maldraxxus talk about âEveryone needs to start somewhere.â But the team chooses a random soldier with zero acomplishments over Broxigar.
If you think this is a good written⌠ok
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You seem to lack fundamental understanding of Broxigar as a character, and who goes where in the Shadowlands. Broxigar wanted his rest, that was his entire goal. He wouldnât end up in Maldraxxus because he had reached the utter pinnacle of his capabilities in life.
Why the hell would he be sent to a place where people earn their glory in battle when heâs the only mortal in all of history to actually injure Sargeras? He wanted his forever nap, and thus wouldnât go to Maldraxxus.
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She was a woman thrown out of her clan because she was sick. She not only proved her entire clan wrong by surviving she ended up the mate of a Frostwolf chieftain because she overcame the odds thrown against her.
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Ok i was wrong⌠she can become the main general of realm of death now
Overcame illness? Enjoyed battle and hunting? Ended up in a leadership position?
TFW Draka is just Teddy Roosevelt as a female orc.
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Draka is not a random soldier. Afterlives alone establishes that Draka was an extremely useful operative to two different Houses. The accomplishments are there, youâre just upset because you canât see them.
Youâre complaining they picked her over Brox, when we donât even know if Brox would have went there. Youâre not giving a good reason for why this is a bad story other than you donât like it. Thatâs not terribly convincing, buddy.
Glad to see you admit it!
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The new characters are what sell me anyway. I guess Grom couldâve been neat but I very much doubt heâd be more interesting than Merelithâs wacky professor shtick or Emeniâs regal murder enthusiasm. Or just Kevin. Because seriously birthday party goo monster, whats not to love?
Plus the whole zone is just a delight. I love how you win over the fearsome flayed wings not through necromantic subjugation or martial dominance but with head pats and encouragement.
The juxtaposition between the death metal album cover art of the zone with the friendly and even wholesome nature of many of its denizens has made for the most delightful experience Iâve had in WoW for a long time.
Could it be improved by a more recognizable lore character? Maybe. But these stories are about the afterlife. Maldraxxus in particular is very focused on the here and now rather than the there and then, as is perfectly summarized in the start when Lady Vashj is entirely indifferent about the whole you killing her thing.
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