Award a cache of Wyrm Crest Fragments once a week for playing 4 keys with the same group

That’s how Mythic Raiding works. Put together a group of 20 ppl and the first few bosses fall over.

Not that I think that is needed but… :man_shrugging:

Not the clever counterpoint you thought it was.

And nothing would change. If you don’t want to change what you’re doing you could just continue on your way. This would in no way be required. Unlike Mythic Raiding and the forced lockout, you could completely opt out of this bonus and fully enjoy the game. It would exist as a bread crumb to encourage players to use those tools you mentioned to find players or stick with players and more fully enjoy the game.

:man_shrugging:

What is the worst that would happen if this reward was “too good”? More people play together? The horror.

You get these tokens from M11. Or heroic shriekwing type bosses, not sure what the problem is. They’re useful but they’re not aspect crests.

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The premise.

That MORE changes come along that force us to spend time with people we don’t want to spend time with. Or even incentivize spending time with people we don’t want to be around in any meaningful way.

No thanks. Most of us aren’t playing WoW to be nudged into social interactions. We’re playing for other reasons. We don’t want incentivizing social interactions and building “social fabric” to be a core part of the game.

What are you talking about? This is an MMO. It’s an implicit party of the games contract with the player.

It’s literally why raids have had the best loot for eons and why there is no rewarding solo content.

Why would it has to be with the same group ?

Like … not all 5 people have the same time to play, schedule, motivation etc

Encourage people to play together.

Maybe you could lower it to like, play with 2 other players for 4 keys. Could adjust. All 5 just came to mind.

How is it forced though? It is piss easy to farm wyrm crests already you’re basically already there from doing heroic raid each week or if you don’t raid doing +11 keys which don’t even have a 2nd affix anymore.

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It will never work for the reasons I already mentioned and the negative side would be is if 3-4 people want to get that done and 1 can’t, problems start to emerge with the group, it will become a chore to do.

so in all ways and aspects, no thanks.

WoW is a game that is played for fun. If getting gear is a chore, you need to reevaluate how you play the game.

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I didn’t say this proposed change was forced if you actually read what I said.

But you’re right that I should just never used the word “forced” at all. Because if I do, people like you will always be there.

If I said I’m “forced” to breath or anything really…You’d be there to let me know that nobody is actually forcing me to do it. And you know what? You’re right. So I’ll concede the point.

Dude what’re you literally going on about? It wouldn’t even require you to change your negative Nancy lifestyle, it’s just a reward similar to the guild thing. You just keep being ughhh, you… and others who WANT to participate will make friends and gear faster while enjoying the psychological benefits of friendship and socialization.

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What am I going on about? I’m voicing my opinion about what I do and don’t want for this game.
Just like you.
And look…I’m making my points without calling you names.

No. Its because it was the easiest thing to do. While reward dictated the path devs wanted players to take. There are now mmos that are going into solo content… Non instanced stuff. Wow … Everquest… Etc were few and new to the game following a template… Nothing to do with a social contract to play together in raids or w.e

If only there was a different type of group, that you could belong to multiple different ones a stay in your guild… Maybe it could be called a neighborhood… or community! :yum:

Yes. Part of the implicit agreement of the gane is allowing Blizzard to do this to manipulate player behavior to encourage social interaction.

Forced social interaction never ends in how they want it. And should never be a thing.

I have a better idea. How about they make it so we don’t need 1235232346346 wyrm crests and nothing else matters. Like how was this system even brought out this way?

Yeah… tell me about all those aspect and wyrm crests you max out from raids.

“Please reward me for the way I play the game”

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