I already answered that.
Say that again?
Cool, do you do any content that’s relevant of you having any feedback on the matter.
Okay, I can snap aggro with judgement better than I can with Avenger’s Shield since Judgement does more damage. Your arguement is invalid. I can also taunt and get aggro that way. I can LoS and not even use the Silence on my avenger’s Shield. I don’t think you understand just how important holy power is to the flow of a paladin.
What I’m getting from you is that you’re fine with them taking away baseline abilities without them compensating which they haven’t done. What in our new talent trees is acceptable to you in which prot will work fine now with this nerf to Divine Toll, and Avenger’s Shield. I’m talking from a feel prospective on why were losing this baseline ability that we’ve had for so long. If you’re okay with it, cool. Whatever. I don’t agree that this is the the prot paladin they should make, and I feel like the prot we have now is fine, and they shouldn’t fix what isn’t broken.
There’s nothing in the new talent tree that’s not what we have now. We have nothing new being added to compensate for the loss of AS losing Holy power. We already have mass shields from AS. Were losing legendaries in place of talents that are legendaries.
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Oh, so your actual interest is in gatekeeping feedback behind some arbitrary standard that you’ll change to whatever suits you at the moment. Whether I played paladin or not was never the issue, just another dishonest question leading down an endless hallway of heckling. Wʜᴏ ᴄᴏᴜʟᴅ’ᴠᴇ sᴇᴇɴ ᴛʜᴀᴛ ᴄᴏᴍɪɴɢ?
I have no desire to dignify bad faith with further discussion. Take my opinion with as much salt as you need and move on.
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Okay, so I’ll just go off your mage then, and say you do mostly leveling, and have no understanding of high end gameplay since you took such offense to what I asked you. This is coming from the same person who mocked my intellect. Thank you for proving my point that you have no idea how paladin plays, and you’re stuck in a wrath era mindset.
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Nobody asked.
Move on.
I did, but okay.
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What does Avenger’s Shield do that Judgement can’t? Oh, it bounces and snaps a whole pack. You can’t do that with Judgement. Your lack of experience and knowledge is showing.
Yeah, someone who is 200 points higher than you and stopped pushing months ago doesn’t understand how Paladins function.
The dude arguing with you is wrong.
Without significant changes to prots base mitigation the AS holy power nerf is significant and will make prot super squishy. On top of that you will have less self heal to make up for it. I think they want sotr to be a CD now rather than 100% up. Presumably they will make more changes pre release to balance this.
Another weird side effect of the HP change is BH will be priority over AS for survival purposes which feels bad on paper at least… It will encourage defensive builds to avoid all AS talents which is a bit sad given how iconic the ability is.
Hard agree, it also makes the left side of the tree with all the really good avenger shield talents feel extra bad to take.
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Okay, I could also argue that I can los behind a wall, pull with judgement, consecrate and LoS behind said wall, and get the same amount of threat if not more from Shield of the Righteous and consecrate.
Like, I’m not dumb, bro. People are going to not use Avenger’s Shield so they can build Holy Power. It was done in MoP, and it was done in Cata. They’re killing Avenger’s Shield. You can look at it however you want, but you will be pressing judgement, and Blessed Hammer before you even touch Avenger’s Shield.
Consecrate generates almost no threat. Your LoS theory is a waste of time, not to mention you can’t los every pack because - open space. Avenger’s Shield is a huge snap agro generator, more than SoTR.
I’m not calling you dumb, I am calling you over dramatic and being hyperbolic.
I’m being dramatic about it because I’m tired of our class changing for the worse. Like, there’s nothing wrong with our class right now for them to change it into something that’s obviously looks broken.
Here, let me give you an example of the type of gamplay were probably going to see with the talents, and how Avenger’s Shield as it is.
You’re probably going to take Blessed Hammer, or every smart paladin is going to, and before they even pull the pack, they’re going to use all three stacks of Blessed Hammer before they even pull a pack so they don’t die from lack of mitigation. Then, you’ll finally pull with Judgement to get 4 stacks, and maybe you’ll use Avenger’s Shield finally because you’ve stacked enough Holy power. Then, once you’re in the pull, and pack is hitting you. You’ll have no stacks of Blessed Hammer left, you’ll be relying on RNG procs, or a fat cool down to save you from the pack, or you’ll just be constantly kiting. It’ll be like SL season 1 all over again where everything was so overtuned you couldn’t stand still without being smashed, except this time it’ll be because of lack of resources to fill the mitigation.
You also need to keep in mind our Stats will not be what they are right now, we’ll have no 4piece, and we’ll have no legendaries, or conduits.
Our class probably received the least amount of tweaks all expansion compared to other tanks. It was a solid class to play. I think it is too soon to pass dramatic judgement on the changes when it is still in “alpha” testing. We won’t know until it has been tested thoroughly.
Every class complains about the changes every expansion. You are probably a skilled player. I just think it is too soon.
You know what the only Holy Power Generator was in Cata? Crusader Strike. You know what the generators were in MoP? Crusader Strike and Judgement, and procs from Avenger’s Shield. You know what you would press before Avenger’s Shield?
Anything that gave you Holy Power because it gave you strong active mitigation, and it built stacks for bastion of Glory.
You say that, but it is never too soon or too late to pass judgement. Look at azerite pieces, and the Ripcord not being pulled for a whole year. We gave tons of feedback, and nothing was ever changed.
I have no idea what you main, or what class you’re playing in Dragonflight, but Paladin is my favorite class, and I’m not going to wait for them to ruin our class, or trust them to fix it without my voice being heard.
Season 1 wasn’t that bad honestly. If you managed defensives and uptime you could still face tank even before the nerf.
Yeah, once you finally got gear.
Well it was start of the expansion and the gap from leveling to M+15 was like 100 ilvls lol.
True, true. I think it was my favorite season, honestly. Good tanks knew great routes to lead into bosses or fat packs with prideful. Though, one bad pull could mess up the whole run.