not anymore.
my realm is PvE.
your scourge…sorry, forsaken, can’t reach me now.
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It’s the map.
There is absolutely no reason that the horde deserve to cap sfgy before the alliance can touch it.
Sfgy is the key graveyard to the entire match and it’s gifted to one side at the start.
That’s just the first map muckery that is the beloved “av”
Horde never played the map this way back in vanilla. But after 15 years, this is where it’s been min maxed too. And this meta puts the alliance at an extreme disadvantage.
Now if you wanna agree we both zerg? Then ya we can have a more even outcome.
But I do agree. Let the map stay as is and rot. And map designers who thought it would be cheeky to gift one side so heavily can learn where that kind of stupidity goes.
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Let AV die
WSG and AB (especially) are way better for actual pvpers
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A good place to start would be dramatically reducing the percentage of toxic $*^&stains on the horde side. The ones who sneak into DB and kill the quest givers, and only the quest givers, just to make it so alliance can’t get rep from armor scrap turnins. The ones who, when horde is very far ahead and have taken SP and soft capped aid station before 30 minutes are up, camp the alliance starting cave. The ones who, when horde is clearly ahead and are going to win, have squads back defending LTs and commanders just so that alliance gets nothing. Sure, the map is a problem, and the beaten attitude of many alliance players is a problem, but it wouldn’t be nearly as bad without all the completely toxic jerkoffs. I can’t see horde chat, but it sure doesn’t seem like anyone is calling them out for it.
If you think I give a flying *&%^ about horde queues, you are very, very wrong.
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I hope your queue times go > 24 hours, it’s exactly what you all deserve, enjoy.
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I just finished the exalted AV grind not less than maybe 2-3 weeks ago from neutral to exalted. Took maybe a steady week and a half to two weeks of nothing but 2-3 hour queues. It sucks, yes it does but it is no ones fault but our own, the horde side heavily outweighs the alliance side therefore less alliance in queue. Hell I guess we’re lucky they queue at all anymore.
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because alliance are done with AV?
ask blizzard to give us back premades or make the map more fair.
you guys cried about premades which in all honestly WERE NOT THAT BAD!!! you still won a lot of games even when alliance had AV premades.
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The Horde is 
about long AV queue. It is breaking my 
. Well those are the consequences of your actions. Now learn to live with it. I am sure the queues will get even longer with time.
What kills me is that I still see horde members on above post in denial. They still claim that it is not the map and it is perfectly balance. It is not horde’s game play against alliance. It was all because the evil alliance can’t PVP and they made premade. Well gods of AV pvp enjoy the fruits of your labor. 
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Hey. PvP ruleset. Don’t like em? Don’t roll on PvP servers.
Like you don’t actually understand the PvP ruleset dude. Tsk tsk.
Only felt like 3:1 to you because your buddies left you and made it in the safe pve instance. Away from the mean ol pvp’ers playing within the pvp ruleset.
Wow. Tell us how you really feel! You do realize this is a role playing game right? You do understand that it could be just role play and you’re too mad because you got killed to see that?
I just picture you screaming this at the monitor as you run back to your corpse. Wishing your friends would have came out of the instance and made it a “balanced” fight…
I just got out of a AV game where we had a plan to split the groups. It wasn’t until we were halfway through executing the plan that we realized over a third of our side were in the harpy cave. We had 15 people from level 52-56 in the harpy cave. Over half of our side was below level 60. It was a complete curb stomp, of course. We lost SH almost immediately because we had less than 2 groups defending. IWB pass was closed, and then it was just us being farmed by horde for another 30 minutes. And of course they didn’t just end. They had to drag it out and milk it for all it was worth. My favorite part was how they didn’t cap the flag at SPGY, they just kept killing people there over and over.
That’s a substantial portion of who is still willing to queue for AV; lvl 52s trying to grind experience and do quests. Which makes it even less attractive to do AV for levels 60s.
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re.
roll.
yup.
Horde cap SFGY by the time we even get to Bal. If Alliance die at SF and we don’t have SH, we spawn all the way in our base at the Aid Station instead of SP like wtf is that. You can give them all the numbers to show a clear advantage but unfortunately they can’t read.
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I don’t care about balanced fight, I don’t care if I die and have to graveyard walk, it doesn’t bother me at all, I get this game is unfair, that’s how I like it, I understand the “PvP ruleset”.
But it doesn’t change anything, everything I said stands true, horde players are losers that need to roll on the EZ mode faction because it’s the only way they can get a win.
You’re pathetic and you have no honor, there is no victory in any of your kills, not once did you ever demonstrate your abilities or prove your worth, you ran around with a bunch of cowards preying on targets that couldn’t possibly respond.
You ignore faction statistics that prove you had an average 3:1 advantage at P2 and instead repeat the same idiotic falsehood that the only reason you don’t see alliance is because “we hide in cities instead of fighting”.
So like I said, kill us all you want, just know we don’t actually care, we just sigh at you and think your pathetic losers.
So next time, when your in Silithus with 100 of your coward buddies killing 20 alliance players and you think your tough, remember, your not, you chose the easy faction because you are weak, you are the one hiding from a true fight, you are the loser, if you were stronger you would want a challenge, but you are weak and pathetic, so you had to join the team that can’t lose.
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Horde: “We’re sick of these afkrs and bots, we want a real challenge!”
Alliance premade enters the arena
Horde: “No, no not like that! OMG were getting our asses kicked! Blizzard OMG Alliance are CHEATING, BAN PREMADES! ALLIANCE ARE CHEATERS!”
Blizz bans premades
Horde back in AV killing afk rep farmers and bots: “Fek yeah! I’m the best PvPr EVER! DIE ALLLIANCE DOGS!”
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Essy metagaming some serious faction solidarity! <3
No idea why they let sub 60’s in this BG. It makes no sense.
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All of this… The posts are still on the forum. Just go back and check. Horde hated it even though the win rates were about even for them. We warned that no one would queue if all that was left was an unbalanced map for us… But both Horde and to my surprise personally… BLIZZARD pursued Alliances win rate like bloodhounds. Ive never ever seen Blizzard triple patch in custom changes in such a short time span like that.
It was actually kind of incredible how they mobilized to patch it until Alliances win rate hit 1%.
But … /shrug. They can’t make us queue for it. Its become a running joke on my servers LFG chat channel that no one queues for AV because Alliance has boycott it across the entire US region. Ill bet we aren’t the only server either lol.
Just remember… When we were running those premades, we intentionally never backtracked and retook all the towers. We intentionally always let horde get honor and kill Balinda etc. We NEVER went scorched earth and starved them because we knew that was stupid and would just lead to them quitting.
Horde has made the absolute opposite approach. So now you live with the results.
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Sure, sure buddy.
And this is why you have 4 hour Q times.
Sorry to say it but it appears you are part of the problem.
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Make the map fair and you ve got a deal, brospeh.