No trolling… yet you admit yourself that SHGY is NOT a choke, and that we have to get SHGY to make the IBW choke work…
You all but said “I agree with you” with your rebuttal. I kinda hope they DO give you guys the cave moved back so i can sit back and listen to your next reason for why you fail at av. (edited to add - just like the last time alliance cried over and over for changes then cried about the changes.)
This is cute - i said who is this guy and now hes following my posts. It’s ok little feller. I don’t mind bad trolls following me. Must suck to claim you’re quitting the game then turn around and stay active on the forums. I must have hit a nerve with you lol.
Says the guy “quitting the game” even though he pays $5 more than ANYONE ELSE IN THE WORLD (claimed he pays 20 a month for classic) and then follows me with nearly a word for word repeat of my words i used on him. Its been fun kid but dont you have to go play Hello Kitty - Island Adventure?
The shier fact that the Horde was able to begin successfully defending against perfectly comped premades that were all on coms prior to the fix makes your point a load of malarkey. Alliance tactics are not enough. I know you like your gravy train. Who doesn’t like winning 99% of the time? I’m sure you can produce and number of questionable facts to try to prove you point. The fact remains that the Alliance trying every thing will never have a better then 5% win ratio. Ignoring that, dismissing that, mocking that, puts the game as a whole at risk because that playerbase will eventually stop playing a guaranteed loss.
Anyone referring to SHGY choke is OBVIOUSLY referring to the choke by IWB (which is also near SHGY). Stop being pedantic.
If Horde so much as tag SHGY then they can use that choke to lock Alliance out of the southern 2/3 of the map. Alliance can’t effectively use that choke because SHGY is south of it. On the flip side, the IBGY choke is also to the north, which means Horde can use it to defend the GY and it never provides a benefit to Alliance.
Ok so if they are talking the IWB choke - why is it that they claim we can control this from the start and our cave position makes it to where this stops their initial push?? I think you are trying to split hairs now to try to cover the lie being spread.
Alliance zerging (and not being stupid and attempting to stop us) will 75% or better reach south of strife. We are not near good enough to even stop 1/2 the zerg. We cannot get to IWB before you regardless of the lie you just tried to spread. You guys get to bal roughly the same time we do. Do i accept this is an advantage of sorts? Yes. We can get past FoS before you. That is it.
Now do you care to accept the massive advantages you guys have over us map wise? I am willing to bet you wont.
The issue isn’t that Horde control it from the start. It’s that if they so much as tag SHGY they control it. So if Alliance gets pushed back a bit or messes up for just 10 seconds and lets someone stealth cap it then suddenly Horde control that choke. There are plenty of games I’ve been in where Alliance defended that GY…but Horde don’t HAVE to leave people to defend IBGY because it’s very easy for them to backcap it. Not to mention that IBGY benefits from a choke on opposing side and SHGY doesn’t. Even if 25-30 Alliance make it to IBGY and get a cap on it, it’s inevitably going to get backcapped because it’s so much more difficult for Alliance to reinforce it than Horde.
I never said Horde beat Alliance to IWB. Not sure where you got that from.
The problem is that all of that feeds into the current horde meta.
The current horde meta is to capture SH GY and then set a 5 minute countdown to the point when the whole alliance team is all choked north of IWB.
It’s a huge advantage to have a very clear strategy like that for pugs. The alliance counter is nowhere near as straightforward. Even if they try to zerg past, some horde will capture SH GY and then the remainder will chase them and start wiping them from behind.
Let’s say 20 make it to IB GY, they start capping IB GY while SH GY already has 60-90 seconds off its timer. At that point, horde have a full 5 minutes to recapture IB GY and only 3.5-4 minutes left until IWB becomes a permanent choke. A half the alliance team is probably already going to be locked up north.
The horde cave rezzers and the players chasing the alliance zerg have enough time to relentlessly bash against the remaining alliance zerg and nearly always clear it out in under 5 minutes due to fast cave rezzing and returning to that spot.
It’s nowhere near as easy for alliance to take back SH GY if there’s 10+ horde sitting at SH GY, and a big part of that is that horde started capping that 60-90 seconds earlier.
Ok so is it just me… or did Eristiah’s argument just change? Seems he was telling me i was being pedantic for saying there is no SHGY choke when everyone is just mislabeling it as the IWB choke point - then changes the argument to graveyard defense is too hard with 25-30 alliance making it past us???
So now we are getting to the truth here. Thank you. The problem is ALLIANCE DON’T KNOW HOW TO PLAY THE MAP. It really is that easy. If you guys wanted to keep the GY you would keep a group of 5-8 at the GY. Its fairly rare that we defend past the IWB choke until you guys take FWGY. That is pretty much our queue to recall unless we see its a high ranked premade. In which case we recall right after bal.
There’s more than one issue with the map. Imbalance of each faction’s forward graveyard is the biggest one. And 5-8 at SHGY is never enough to hold it. Not sure how my argument changed though. The choke by IWB/SHGY is decidedly to Horde’s benefit and can and often is set up prior to the Horde fully control SHGY.
I would never recommend you guys shoot for SHGY. That is just asking to be camped.
Here are some options - You have TPGY (which btw if used right can screw any hopes of horde making it north) and … Snowfall which we rarely ever look at. most of the time when someone does cap it - its followed by 10-15 people flaming that person in chat over it.
Have you just not played for the past 2 weeks or what? If Alliance try to cap SFGY then 20+ Horde will back cap it every game. If Alliance try to get IBGY the Horde WILL get it back. You don’t seem very knowledgeable of the current Horde meta.
The current horde meta is based on completely controlling the middle including SF GY and protecting Galv and IB GY for the 5 minutes until SH GY caps.
Yeah you might have some unknowing pugs in the chat that don’t understand that and ask “why are you at SF?”, but anybody who’s been in enough AV the past 2 weeks understands that the current horde meta for 5000+ honor in 30-32 minute matches is to 1) Take SH GY immediately, 2) wipe the entire alliance team (including securing SF GY and IB GY), and 3) choking the whole alliance team at IWB.
That’s the strongest horde meta right now; up to 5940 honor (depending on what the alliance gets) at the 30 minute mark.
So much fun if alliance stop running and hit them at ball and not do this hard right or left strat just sit and wipe horde over and over and over again then they don’t even know what to do besides afk in there cave… but those queue times after this week i can’t wait to hear about em.