The guy who provided hard numbers on this showed that if the A team is trying to capture IBGY from SHGY, they have to maintain a more than 4:1 kill ratio over the 5 minutes it is capping. Meanwhile, H has to maintain an even ratio. This is an imbalance, and not a small one.
Knowing that A has a few AFK each match simply does not change these hard facts.
If you got that data, I wouldn’t mind seeing it.How was the data recorded? Was it across all of his IBGY attempts? A single attempt? How many people were actually afk? Did the teams have healers?
One data point is useful, but it is hard to draw a trend from it.
Poliz, you underestimate the competitive nature of players whether they are horde or alliance, they will try to win. Yes, some alliance give up after getting sent back to the top of the map after 15 minutes of literally winning every battle but losing the war due to simple attrition and map physics.
The game is over at that point because the horde now control SHGY despite getting their butt kicked at the beginning and alliance have nothing to show for it
Sure, some give up at that point but it wouldnt matter because the horde advantage at that point is nearly insurmountable without precise coordination that is simply not possible in a pug.
I dunno…
win? lose? I’m just there for rep. After I do enough turn ins that the druid is moving, I’m gone!
I think you underestimate the willingness for players to go out of their way to do absolutely nothing if it gives them a reward. I am more willing to believe there are more Alliance lurking around for the rep-rewards than there are Alliance willing to fight-to-the-death.
Edit: lol good timing on the post between us.
Nailed it! It’s wow pvp bud. I wouldn’t worry about it too much or let it stress ya out.
Just give me my damn ring and I’m gone!
Do you really expect a peer reviewed study and a fully vetted parametric model that details every possibility? Don’t be that guy
Now that is a good example of a strawman.
I’ve been in AVs where you wipe so many Zug zugs at ibgy but they just keep coming back instantly 20 at a time and 100 yards away because the cave and you eventually just wipe because healers can’t mana up again.
Yup, and I’m on the record saying that people who should at graveyards instead of the cave if they can.
It’s like the insects in star ship troopers and we are the mobile infantry boxed in at that fort. The zug zug never stop coming.
If you’re managing to kill 11-20 people per respawn wave for that to matter, then yes. But again, I don’t think the Horde should be spawning at the cave if they have a graveyard.
Yet you still fail to acknowledge that this happens because the cave is the nearest respawn point. It is because of the cave location.
The cave is a bit closer than Frostwolf, yes. But not but any huge amount. Some times when you die assaulting IBGY you do respawn at FWGY if you were attacking from the left hand side instead of the right.
The cave is “technically” closer, but but a negligible amount.
And they respawn with twice the numbers. So yes, it’s a design problem.
No clue how anyone can look at this and say, “well maaaybe and maaaybe not.”
I mean, come on man.
Not just closer - you spawn 20 at a time in the cave and 10 at a time at the gy.
You assault ibgy with a ninja cap those horde reinforcements sure come fast from the people who died up north.
I was in an AV on alliance the other day and we won a game! I want to thank the GMs that have been spooking people into actually playing. Great job. Spook them some more please.
Up to twice* It only matters if you’re killing 11-20. While that does matter, I dont think it is everything.
But i feel like I am going to need to defend myself again…but yes, Horde should be spawning at FWGY instead of the cave if they own FWGY.
Know when alliance respawn at the cave? When stormpike is contested. Not our forward gy like horde. It’s not even amusing anymore watching you dance around admitting the real issue is horde cave location.
Wat? We were talking about the Horde cave…wernt we? That is why we didn’t bring up stormpike at all.
How many times do i have to say the horde should spawn at the graveyard before you just see that my pixels are red and just assume i hold the opposite opinion?