In the current scenario, yes, Alliance can mostly organize themselves to get in the same game. I don’t know how people are still trying to suggest it is not happening.
No, they are not. I’m not sure what world you’re or what game you’re playing, they are definitely not the same, never were and never will.
Alliance has so much less players than horde queueing. When an alliance player queues, there are so many horde waiting to join that makes their queue almost instantly, specially during AV weekends.
Youre not understanding.
Red is saying Alliance are winning because they have THE LONGER QUE TIMES.
Which is why he was saying horde won before the premades because horde had THE LONGER QUE TIMES.
You are literally proving my point and disproving him.
Thanks!
But apparently horde queue times have dropped to the same as alliance, since horde bailed orders of magnitude faster than alliance when they started losing. So why aren’t they doing the same?
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Obviously because a map advantage is fair, but all getting on discord is CH34T1NG!!!
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reading comprehension is hard these days
For the past year alliance have had virtually instant que times. This means that most of the rep farm to lose crowd have had a year to finish their grind and be done with AV alliance side. Horde side have had long que times until recently (still longer than alliance, and can’t basically premade every game like alliance are doing) which means horde are just now seeing the lose for rep players flood into their ranks.
It’s like a disease, alliance have had the sickness caused by fast ques for so long that they have built a resistance/immunity to it as the lose for rep meta has run its course, horde have just caught the sickness for the first time and have no immunity built up for it and are seeing pandemic levels of lose for rep meta mindset around its average AV “player”.
You still refuse to accept that the map was not to blame and yet when horde que times dropped by a large percentage they are now having a flipped winrate and alliance are the ones dominating AV.
The meta shifted as the alliance lose for rep illness of a meta finally ran its course, and now we see the horde have caught that illness with no immunity built up because this illness is new to the horde.
Que times for Alliance are faster than hordes still…
I thought the faction with the longer ques has that “GRIT” so they always win??
The map is still to blame, you even know the map was an issue, you admitted the cave rez order should be last.
Infact you gave us a 5% imbalance remember??
Horde pugs are being stomped by semi pre-mades, that’s to be expected.
It’s just horde are so had at PvP they fold when 16 of us are on discord.
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When it’s a massive difference in que times it does have an impact. The que time difference isn’t massive right now. The 5% imbalance was from sfgy rezing alliqnce at asgy, which got fixed with no patch notes. I’m OK with the cave rez being changed because it removes the power that BOTH teams get from their cave. But I do not see it as a map imbalance with how it works now.
If the map imbalance was as massive as you claimed it to be throughout this entire thread we would see the winrates near 50/50 with pug vs partial premades. And yet we don’t. The partial premades (based on the data you yourself gave) are seeing much higher win percentage than “near 50%”.
It’s almost like the map imbalance (after the sfgy rez issue got fixed) was all in your mind and your refusing to admit it.
Don’t start back pedaling now.
You lot have made it very clear that the cave res order should not be how it is.
That the cave res should be last. It has literally been said dozens of times here by everyone including you.
The cave still is an issue most of our games are over 30 minutes because it takes that long to get by the cave rez.
We get a free summon of tree every game just like you guys used to. And we use that to break the turtle just like you guys used to.
the funny part was is it took us about 6 months to have this defeatist mentality you guys got it after one week. Bunch of whiny quitters.
What’s truly funny is you guys are all for rushing Vann now, and want us to rush Drek. Funny how before the pre-mades you didn’t want that, remember you were all just playing how AV was supposed to be played.
Well we are just playing how an MMO is supposed to be played, as a community.
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“You lot”
So what others have said is now my words, got it…
So now you admit there was a defeatist attitude issue for the alliance and it wasn’t just the map causing that 90% loss rate for alliance, good to know. That’s a step in the right direction, maybe there is hope for you to think logically one day.
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That has been said over and over.
When you fight a map so heavily favored you end up giving up…which is why after SHGY was capped we basically quit…
Kinda like horde do now…it’s almost like it’s the SAME PLAYER BASE, wonder who has said that??
You did say that the cave order should be fixed don’t lie.
The map caused the defeatist attitude for alliance.
The pre-mades caused it for horde.
But like I said this is an MMO, we just playing it like we should, as a community.
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Saying I wouldn’t be against the cave rez being changed is not the same as saying I think it’s a problem that needs to be fixed.
You just keep up your feelings based arguments though. They were not logical last year, and they still aren’t, but you just do you.
And your right, it is the same player base, but conditions effect who does what. Like que times being short encouraging the rep farm players to join until they are exalted on all their toons. With alliance having near instant ques for over a year this caused many of the alliance side rep farmers to finish their rep farm and be done with AV. Horde are just now seeing fast que times and are now getting a lot of rep farm horde joining AV on alts, using the same strategy alliance rep farmers used for rep, fast losses.
I’m wondering when you will be able to see past the map to see the MANY other factors that effect AV, like que times and many other examples given earlier in this thread.
Another easy win, horde just roll over at this point. They should get flasks and full world buffs, its like they dont even try…
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Another great game! I wish they had healing charts at the end!
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The only way Alli has to counter the map is either Semi-Scorched Earth or DREK and Kek.
Drek and Kek is easily countered but Horde are complicit or uncaring…
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“tEh LOng qUeuE tiMes MaKEs yOu trY haRdEr”
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I fail to see an argument there? Queue times are drastically shorter, and horde effort is now abysmal.
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Horde are either uncaring or complicit in the Drek and Kek.
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Not gonna lie, after a year of horde doing everything they could to deny alliance honor, I am enjoying the premade strat. Horde needed a taste of their own medicine. Now they know how it feels to be trapped behind a choke and get very little honor.
Even with premades, getting past TP can be tough with the cave rez backing it up, but Ivus has cleared the way a few times.
I haven’t been part of a Drek or kek since AV weekend ended. I hope it stays that way.
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