Viratrix, you’re wrong. And obviously you don’t know what you are talking about. you made 3 insults/personal attack. I should not even answer to you but it’s so easy to win arguments with you guys it’s funny.
If you were in front of me you would never dare calling me dumb. You’re just doing it because you have no manner and you are behind a screen.
No serious debater would insult his opponent. Yet you guys are so bad at debating and giving good arguments it’s all you can do. Trolling, personal attacks, insults, avoiding real answers. It is what it is.
Keep crying and tell the map is so called imabalance. You’re wrong. And you’re so wrong that Blizzard didn’t change it. And blizzard did change it but didn’t change it for what you cried for. Even funnier
Hey just because you have pointed out detailed reasons and numerical proofs for map advantage that match up with real world results and have yet to be shown faulty, doesnt mean you are not just whining.
However when they do nothing but insult you and lie to your face and keep repeating the same debunked statements over and over and then try to act all high and mighty when you insult them for being unable to comprehend basic concepts like 20>10 they are in the right to not only continue to attack you but also call out how horrible you are for attacking them back after they started with the insults.
is that not how this works?
Also Jero still waiting on that evidence the map is balanced after your first attempt was full of false statements, irrelevant conjecture and ignored some serious map balance issues.
Well the fact you guys insult people trying to have a real conversation prove it all.
I’m not wasting my time with people like you again.
You insult me ? I’ll insult you. And I’ll keep my arguments for the real debater, people that are respectful. But keep crying. The map is so imbalanced, Blizzard didn’t change what you’re crying for when they made change… lol
This is not retail where mistakes need to be addressed its classic where its supposed to show off what it was flaws and all.
But for some reason they decided to remove the part of the game that gave the alliance a decent chance at overcoming the disadvantage of the map then made it harder on them again by making the rep grind much worse.
It was addressed, just not in vanilla. Just like premading AV was also addressed, just not in vanilla but i guess there was nothing wrong with that either.
Non sequitor? I get youre desperate here but this is so far from relevant it comes off as a deliberate distortion. Or maybe Im giving you too much credit and you really have no idea where you are or what time it is.
TBC is a different expansion and has no bearing on Classic or its design at all. As far as Classic is concerned TBC doesnt exist and you cant rightly go back to the future to make yourself correct so like, lol?
Some of yall need to find a new crusade because youre on fumes here if youre talking about TBC. Its over. You lost. Until its addressed by Blizzard you have no leg to stand on. Period.
This is true, blizzard has ignored this thread. Although they addressed the horde complaints.
So yeah at this point there is no reason for alliance to queue for AV. And we are seeing the impact of that. Horde have 2+ hour queues and alliance games suck. That situation will continue until the map is addressed or never.
Despite what you want to believe there is no just play better. The players who can beat horde on an even map are not playing AV, they are getting ~50% win rates on the other maps. Sorry you don’t realize that.
It’s hardly the only issue. A 30 second head start is no small thing. Reaching SF 20 seconds before Alliance is no small thing. Horde reaching IBGY in half the time it takes for Alliance to reach SHGY is no small thing. Horde reaching SHB before Alliance do is no small thing. Having a path directly up to SHGY while there is none to IBGY is no small thing. Never mind the disparity between summoning Lok and Ivus.
I’ve said this before: if the Horde cave were by the Horde base and the Alliance cave were behind SHGY, and if there were a direct path leading from SH to IBGY, and if Alliance reached IBT before the Horde and if Ivus were summoned on an easily defended hill… then Alliance would be enjoying the AV win rates that Horde currently are. There’s simply no disputing that.
They did in TBC. But this team is comprised of overworked and incompetent bad gamers. There is something very inequitable about the map and Blizzard has done nothing. Why would you think Blizzard would fix this? There’s a million things over the decades they’ve scuffed and a million other things they’ve ignored.
Reinforcement mechanics were added to reduce game duration. Only after that change was made did horde cave location gain a huge map advantage.
But please, be my guest to ignore the order of changes, the reasons they were made, and the effects they had. Please feel free to if ore historic evidence and trends of min maxing from today’s gamers causing a focus on efficiency focused game play coupled with que time vs game duration. The ease of leaching causing by premades forcing blizzard to break the report afk feature for BGs to prevent very rampent abuse, the moral effect of all premades leaving a game type at the same time. Exc.
Let’s ignore every factor and bit of logical reasoning and just blame the map for all of our problems!
Has anything they’ve said this entire conversation made you think they understand concepts like LOS?
Keep in mind some of them are arguing terrain has zero impact on pvp. Judging by what some of them have claimed they’d be sitting in their starting cubby because it’s “defensible” wondering why they’re getting splattered every game.
Five. Minute. Timer. SHGY is not 100 miles from SF. Its a pvp BG, not a race to SF.
Also, are we talking slow mounts or fast mounts? Is the plan to always go SF? Is there some alliance AV meta that is 100% dependent on capping SF? No? Well I guess its being blown out of proportion then like every other alliance complaint about AV.
The videos you so love to link is just a bunch of data being interpreted as evidence to fit a pre existing theory. I could elaborate but Im done wasting my time. People either get it or they dont.
