Okay so you are just confusing this with post reinforcement AV.
Sorry but stealth capping towers in this version of AV is not super helpful in this version of AV when you factor in how long it takes to do vs how easy it is to undo.
You will be not helping your team far longer than the time you might distract a couple people to undo your soft cap. Assuming they even bother to undo the cap which may or may even be relevant. It might make you feel like you’re “contributing” but you really aren’t.
Obviously that changes when reinforcements come into play.
Sorry, but pretending that soft capping towers is something that does not have a beneficial effect on the battle is some blatant trolling at this point. The very fact that you added the “easy to undo” part, shows that it has an effect on the gameplay. Unless you think that your opponent can simply retake objectives simply by willing it to be.
If a L51 (for example) is pulling “a couple” L60s away from the battle, you are helping your team that entire time.
Do you even play AV?
It’s pretty clear that you are just fishing for responses at this point, and that sweet, sweet blue dot on your avatar.
Well, ziryus has shown he has no idea how the war scale BG of AV actually works.
If a lvl 51 stealth caps a tower and brings even 1 enemy playet to recap it and that takes the enemy player 30+ seconds (with travel time to and back to the main fight) to recap it he has effectively “killed” one player from the enemy team from the main fight as that enemy player was not at the main fight.
Now let’s look at how horde react to soft caps. Do we not usually send at least 5+ back to get it?
So one alliance rogue that’s level 51 that knows what he is doing could “kill” 5+ horde from the main fight.
It’s odd that he thinks this is “not contributing” to the win of his team.
AV is a war scale BG, misinformation, guerrilla tactics, cutting supply lines (drawing enemy players from the main battle), exc are key to winning.
If ziryus mind set is common on alliance AV players, the map could be perfectly balanced and they would still lose 90% of games. Because they want a race or brawl BG, and don’t want to play AV as it was designed for.
He is suggesting that it really doesn’t happen in any meaningful way. Yet each time we suggest they send stealthers to soft cap objectives, they insist that horde (who only know how to zug-zug, mind you) immediately go back to recap those objectives. Unless it is Zyrius, of course, who will make up nonsensical arguments just to get responses. At this point I do not believe he plays AV (or classic) or cares if it gets “fixed”, just as long as he can get responses to his posts.
I’m saying it doesn’t have nearly as much import as you are pretending it does. This isn’t the reinforcements version of AV where burning a tower is game changing.
Not as much as a level 60 contributing in a more meaningful way.
Do you? Prior to reinforcements towers don’t contribute directly to the win condition.
So in all honesty, how successful will a 51 be at stealth capping? Chances are you will be detected by NPCs that you will have a hard time landing a hit on.
And it’s funny watching you try to discredit someone after you’ve made it very clear there is a lot you don’t understand about the map or game mechanics.
Seeing as I did it successfully from L51 onward in the alliance base towers, very. Capping horde towers is even more easily done, as the flag itself is entirely sheltered from the view of archers.
It is really bizarre that talk of AFKing L60s has been deflected to the value of lower level characters completing objectives.
You can completely LoS bowmen in bunkers as well. Kinda like alliance have to do in IBT with an archer standing at the doorway. But I’m skeptical that 51s are not easily detected by NPCs. I can’t prove it so I’ll have to take your word. I know my level 60s have no trouble detecting 51 stealthies though.
And maybe it’s a conversation because some horde try to write off alliance losses to afk leeches but ignore the same impact of lowbie leeches.
It’s not just the tower archers, it’s every NPC you have to avoid to get to the tower in addition to any player who decides to come and find you. They’ll all have a significantly easier time vs a level 51 finding them and then splatting them.
On top of the highly dubious and situational value of stealth capping towers in the first place.
Honestly he just seems very confused about how towers work in classic AV vs how they work post reinforcements.
If they’re trying to stealth cap and getting picked off by NPCs, they aren’t accomplishing objectives. I understand this doesn’t fit the narrative of alliance having more leeches, but useless is useless.
I had no issue soft capping towers at 51 and onward. Sounds like you are just not all that experienced playing a stealth class. Not to mention the comically spread out NPCs in the horde base making it MUCH easier to sneak past as alliance.
Seriously, if an alliance stealther of ANY level cannot manage to soft cap the horde base towers, you’ve got bigger issues than “tEh mAp!”
Alliance lowbie stealthies should have an easier time getting into towers even though they are forced into much closer range of archers to actually get inside the tower? Also you do realize the bulk of alliance NPCs are north of both bunkers in alliance base? How are they more of a problem than the horde NPCs?
As a lowbie rogue in AV I stuck to the easier objectives like collecting rams/wolves and ram/wolf hides for the riders. Too low a level, say 51-53, I found capping towers/bunkers to be a pain in the butt as the archers start firing on you as you approach and it was hit or miss if your blind worked on the elite NPC (assuming he wasnt killed off already).
I mean, it could be done but youre blowing most if not all of your CDs and if one level 60 showed up you were done for so I didnt see the point unless there was backup in the immediate area which was like never.
Even so, I can forgive the level 55 hunter throwing traps and doing whatever he or she could to slow the horde advance across the bridge. I cant forgive the level 60 field marshall sitting in stealth under the bridge to collect HKs.
It’s like the map criers don’t realize there are talents and items designed to improve your stealth level…
You are comparing base stealth as your “a level 51 can’t do it!” When a level 51 trying to do it will see success if they have the talents/items for it.
We aren’t saying a lvl 51 stealthers will instantly be successful. They have to talent into improved stealth, itemize for it and play smart with their pathing and NPC pathing.
Your looking at base stealth, ignoring talents and items that improve stealth.