No it’s not, but skipping it doesn’t solve any problems either and typically makes them worse. The conditions where skipping IBGY work are a smaller subset of the conditions that taking IBGY work in.
No they don’t, and that’s the point. Even significantly better alliance teams don’t win consistently due to the map.
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Just. Stop.
LOL at even thinking this is as easy to pull off then Paladin solo pull. You’re ina horde pug and you get only a 1 chance small window to make it work.
And the 6 minute wins are not nearly as reliable as you are making out, particularly in a pug. I’ve seen it fail far more often than it succeeds.
I was thinking the same thing. Ive personally never seen it work. My understanding is it was quite a rare thing to pull off.
No of course not. But its much more reliable then the Horde’s version if not solely for the fact that you can try multiple times. If you mess up the Prospector pull, its gone.
Well no, when that pull is messed up typically too many alliance die and are now way back up north.
Early on the alliance owned the horde, plain and simple. When horde queues were 5 min or less the idea was to just get as much honor as you could before the game ended, which was a decent amount despite the small window. Queues are great who gives af.
As queues got longer less and less horde were willing to let games end quick. Which only grew over time. But yeah, the horde didnt give two craps about winning AV for the first several weeks, it was all HPH.
Eventually queues hit a time when it was no longer worth queuing for AV as horde unless your intent was to bust your butt in it. Its really as simple as that. You got horde tryhards going up against alliance who just want easy rep and arent really worried about winning because you dont have to and the next game is 30 sec away.
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Oh right. So much easier for a pally to kite the warmasters over waterfalls without someone getting aggro or losing aggro or getting glitched on terrain or dying, than it is to smack a non elite a few times.
And the above is why you rarely if ever saw Alliance doing this. Never did it in any premade I was in because of its chances to fail. Please stop being dishonest.
What? Even if the pull gets messed up on the alliance side, you can just try again. If the horde messes up once, its over for that strat. So the margin of error for the alliance is soooooo much higher, especially when considering that they premaded
How hard is it to press bubble consecrate and just run off the waterfall? Even if one person pulls off a warmaster, you can just get someone to off tank it or just kill it and you’d still be better off than what the horde would be doing
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It sure is!
Very!
The Paladin must have speed boosts or he won’t make it to the waterfall. If he dies before making it to the waterfall, it’s gg. And no, you don’t get another try that’s pretty much a wipe. If the Horde fail it’s not a wipe it’s just a dead NPC.
How do paladins get killed through bubble? All the alliance have to do is NOT attack or heal the already invulnerable paladin. Easy.
For horde, 1 bad crit and its over. No retries. If the paladin messes up, he dies and can just get rezzed and have another paladin try it.
I just told you, they need speed boosts to make it to the waterfall.
No if the Pally dies it’s a WIPE.
Seriously I can’t believe you guys are trying to claim this was the reason Alliance won, or that it was soooo much easier than slapping one NPC.
I was in AV premades until I hit exalted and never, ever, ever even once was this pally strat used.
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So they just need to equip a stop watch, use a swiftness potion, or use the chicken offhand? That’s not that bad. What’s the solution for a dead NPC? lol
And yes, slapping the NPC at “just the right” HP level is way harder to execute. You had to make sure no other horde are touching them in a PUG, and hope to god you’re not too geared either or you’ll crit it and kill it. that, and you only get ONE try.
I dont see how the paladin dying means its a wipe. you literally just kite
I have a solution that will please everyone: Blizzard should hurry up and release TBC servers where this issue, along with many others, is addressed. And leave Classic alone as the timeless snapshot of history it’s meant to be. Thus we move to a different expansion and version of the map and everyone can complain about other things that may or may not be addressed when Wrath servers came online.
We all agree? Great, you know what to do Blizz.
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You got me there! This is probably true.
I executed the Vann solo pull as primary tank at least a dozen times.
It wasn’t that hard. Just bring prospector a little closer to the middle with my 1h+shield on, use white hits down to 15-20% and press esc when it runs away.
Vann runs to me alone. I pull him to the corner and tell everyone to stay inside even if they get aggro.
Did it fail at times? Of course. Did a dumb hunter or mage or lock get aggro and run out and reset Vann? Yeah that happened too.
Success rate wasn’t that of a Pally pull, but I had games where alliance was on WMs and we Prospector pulled Vann and won just as alliance was on Drek.
I’m glad both cheese methods are gone.
Now hopefully back to discussing the cave.
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Cave is where it is, because that’s where it was the whole duration of vanilla until the last major patch of TBC when it was moved.
If you want that cave moved, you’ll have to wait until the TBC servers come out.
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