Translation: Horde should stop playing the BG as intended, allowing alliance to shlub their way to wins with little to no effort, carrying a large % of AFKers through comically short games with their comically short queues. Affirmative action, or something.
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Good grief. How hard is it to understand that some of us actually want quality gameplay? We warned blizzard about using this version for the very thing that you are suddenly promoting, while demonizing the very strategy that you advised when you were supporting v1.12 AV in a rabid fashion.
You literally lobbied in favor of this steaming pile of 
, and are now lobbying to have horde roll around in it.
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Quality gameplay is only achievable when both sides are running the same strat. I.E. dropping 200-300g in consumables a game and not running the zerg strat. No one likes 1hour+ games of AV because the hph is not worth the effort. The same hph is achieveable through WSG.
You should have just skipped ahead to this falsehood and saved me some reading. There are in fact MANY of us who dearly love the long back and forth struggles, who are not in it for the HPH.
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No surprises that your opinion is rock solid and you gloss over information.
It’s akin to high ranked players in other games making smurf accounts and cucking the experience for the new players. It’s fun for some, but most people absolutely hate it.
You do you, but you’re pissing people off and everyone has the right to complain. Defending the current meta makes your queues even longer and games almost non-existent. Chiming in to say “We’re just playing the game.” shows your wilful ignorance to the fact.
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How ironic…:
What, the meta of “actually playing the BG as designed”?
No, sorry. My queues have been around 1:45 for the majority of AV in classic.
I am not a doofus that expects AV to pop during off peak.
To what fact?
Horde are literally playing the BG as it was designed to be played:
taking enemy objectives and defending our own.
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This is exactly why any discussion on the imbalances of AV are a waste of time. You’re right, you’re just playing the game. But you’re ignorant of the fact that the way you’re doing that is spoiling it for everyone else. But that’s cool, no one is stopping you from playing the game.
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What does:
Have to do with:
I have time and again supported changes to the cave respawn mechanic, as well as fixing the SF respawn issues.
What I am NOT going to do is stop playing the BG as intended, just so the opponent can feel good about themselves, or so they can zoom through quick games, to maximize their relatively short queue times.
The “way I am doing it”? Seriously dude? Do you have no self awareness as to how lame that sounds?
/shrug just stop queuing and let horde eat queue times. It’s the only way some of these horde will learn. And since blizzard apparently only listens to horde whining the only way blizzard will care.
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“The way you’re playing the game conflicts with how others like to play the game”
Does this sound better? Sorry, I thought we were mature and discussing the state of AV.
The way I see it, the benefits of AV for horde and alliance are vastly different. Rankers only do AV because the HPH is much better during an AV weekend than WSG. If they’re not winning games because their meta/strat/whatever you want to call it, is not working then they’re just going to queue WSG or AB.
PUGs do it because they enjoy AV, cool. But if you play Alliance AV, you’ll see how contrasting the meta is for each team.
What he doesn’t understand is that while technically it is a valid strategy it’s not a fun strategy for alliance to play, and almost certainly, lose against.
It’s no different than if one team in a basketball game had an auto win button that they could technically use, shockingly if they kept using it noone would want to play against them.
The alternative is for Alliance to play the smear meta as well, but then games would be hours long (exactly what blizzard intended) and rep/honor gains would be minimal to the time spent in the battleground. I recall the first weekend after the terrain exploits were fixed, we attempted to counter their smear with a smear and the loss took an hour and a half… for 8k honor.
No, it is not better, because horde are LITERALLY playing the BG as it was designed to be played. Your idea of “maturity” requires an opponent to willingly gimp themselves to make you feel better about yourself. You want affirmative action in regard to both AV wins, as well as those wins being expedient.
I have said as much ad nauseum.
Winning is being dismissed as not good enough by some alliance players, if winning requires a lengthy time commitment that does not jive with their relatively quick queue times.
The alliance “meta” is a large % of the team being AFK, a % ACTIVELY lobbying for their team to not try. There are even defeatist cheerleaders like your buddy Zyrius who ACTIVELY dismiss alliance players who report success and a willingness to play the BG as designed.
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If a win takes an hour, it is not an efficient use of time. What do you not understand about this? If you have 8 hours to spend in one AV game, cool for you. Some of us want to maximise the efficiency of our time played. We’re not all teenagers or unemployed hand-out recipients. The ranking system is what’s causing this thirst for efficiency since the rewards are so lucrative. But it’s not worth the time investment or effort for Alliance players to lose a large majority of their AVs. So the solution is for Alliance to just not queue if they’re unhappy with the state of the BG.
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Efficiency has literally nothing to do with whether the map is being played appropriately. Fact is, even if they make the changes to the cave rez and SF rez to improve the balance of the BG, Horde will still have no reason to play rush games because we don’t have fast enough queues and won’t have fast enough queues even after these changes.
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Straight up, I know Ziryus lives in pipe dream land where pink unicorns eat lemon flavored pop tarts on the moon, but the rest of us know the shortest queues Horde is likely to ever see are around 40 minutes.
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That’s because you all stacked on one faction. Changes to AV won’t fix the fact you all chose Horde at the beginning of Classic. If you want faster queues, reroll Alliance.
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And if you would like to win AV games, roll Horde.
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How many times must I state just that before you pay attention?
What do you not understand about that not being a worthy factor to consider when blizzard is mulling over changes? Want a quick BG, play one of the other BGs.
I see, here we go stretching it to absurdity. The choice is CLEARLY 5 minute races, or 8 hour slogs.
How is that my problem? Some folks don’t have time to raid, should raids be stripped down to be 5 minutes?
How is that my problem? Some folks don’t have time to raid, should raids be stripped down to be 5 minutes?
Then play AB and WSG?
How is that my problem? Some folks don’t have time to raid, should raids be stripped down to be 5 minutes? I mean, I am thirsty for those lucrative rewards.
Apparently it is not worth winning either, if it stretches beyond your attention span.
Adjust the cave rez mechanic.
Fix the respawn point for deaths occurring at SF.
All else is a YOU problem.
Scroll up and read what I wrote about separating PVE queues from PVP queues. The last decent data we had showed that across all server types, there was no clear stacking between factions. The simple truth is that alliance (by and large) does not want to PVP in BGs, but they sure want the lucrative rewards.
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C’mon Blizz we know you see this thread.
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Horde won the war for Alterac Valley due to strategic superiority. Kinda the goal, isn’t it?