You’ll quickly realize that 90% of the current alliance posts on forums are exactly this. Middle schooler mentalities and mental gymnastics in an attempt to justify something that hurts both factions. The AV experience is muddied down for everyone, and the best part of the situation is that it hurts alliance more than it does horde. They have to compete on the honor ladder with people who do this tactic every bg. If they don’t frequently do cross realm premades and cheese the game in a boring, noncompetitive way, they’re now by default at a major disadvantage on the ladder compared to those that do. Yesterday, I won most of my AVs anyway because literally half of them start off as a 15v40 because the alliance premades don’t join and ruin it for the rest of the alliance players who just want to pug and play the game normally. Making warmasters return to the building after running 100 yards from their spawn location would solve any potential issue for either faction cheesing the bg, but instead we got honorless target hotfix, when players don’t give any honor after 3 kills anyway. I’m not sure I’ve seen so many low IQ people consolidated to one place in my entire life.
They can, heck they can kite them without it- they just lack the skills. Considering most Horde thinking kiting and using pathing is an exploit, it’s no wonder- they’re basically hamstrung because they don’t know how the game works.
Meanwhile our horde pugs are frequently capable of dismantling alliance premades, lol. Nice bias you’ve got there. I pugged against Jokerd’s premades 2 days ago and it took them 30 minutes to win because they got wiped twice. Where are your skills when even the top premades can struggle versus a bunch of randoms? Inb4 horde racials and shamans make a bigger difference than all the skill in the world…
You know what hurt both factions? Months of every other Horde post being ‘quit or reroll’ whenever solutions regarding fixing balance, something that would have benefited both factions greatly, came up.
If you want to talk middle school mentalities, just look at your own faction and maybe realize for once that you’re the source of the problem.
Then why are all the threads here Horde whining? If things are so fine, we wouldn’t have a month of Horde making cry thread after cry thread about the same thing- nobody complains this much about winning. And if you do- yikes, that’s a big problem Horde need to deal with mentally.
You talk bias but can’t seem to fathom that your faction loses.
Open questions to everyone who thinks the pally bubble pull is an exploit:
Do you think DM:E ‘jump runs’ are an exploit?
Do you think solo DM:N Tribute runs are an exploit?
Do you think jumping down into the Arena in BRD instead of going in the obvious entrance is an exploit?
Do you think jumping down into Rend’s room in UBRS instead of clearing the stairs to get to the room is an exploit?
Do you think jumping down from the ledge instead of clearing a path in LBRS is an exploit?
Do you think lava runs through BRD to do a quick MC attune or Emperor run is an exploit?
Do you think rogues darting in and out of UBRS to check for Jed is an exploit?
After all, all of these things are players clearly playing in a way that was not intended by Blizzard, using methods to bypass bosses, skip trash pulls, and so on. By the arguments I’ve heard people making here, all of these would be ‘exploits’. These are clever uses of game mechanics, as is the pally bubble pull.
You’re not “dismantling” an alliance premade. You’re just sitting on a graveyard hitting recall after being obliterated 4-5x. You wear their mana pools out and win by throwing your bodies into the blender, eventually it clogs.
The only reason alliance ghost or leave is to preserve honor per hour, not because you’re winning. Odds are you haven’t even burned a single bunker at this point. Be thankful alliance don’t need to turtle to win because the game would never end.
sounds like pvp happened on a pvp server. and look we all knew this is how classic would be. it’s your fault blah blah blah.
your right, if they so chose theyd get there faster!
Im not sure how a hunter pet would solo Drak ever but ok. And if they sent the pet to pull drak, im pretty sure drak would leash EVERYTHING on the way there.
Did you just post from an alt and then reply to yourself?
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You’re partaking in it, and honestly seeing how you post on almost every thread, particularly on an alt, I’d say you’re a more significant contributor to the toxicity in this game than 99% of the playerbase. People are complaining because of just how much this affects the AV meta and makes PvP worse as a whole just as much as it’s a complaint about losing. Wanting a battleground (meant to be an “equal” playing field for both factions to PvP on, to be so broken that all the objectives become pointless) is far different to being outnumbered in world PvP, when everyone was stammering to gain as much honor per hour as possible. On my server, there were just as many alliance kill squads as horde had. Since you mention skill so much, maybe as the great player you are, you would have thought to play on a server with good faction balance?
Retorting with the same childish things you’ve heard in P2 is just perpetuating the problem, and making it harder to get fixes to be made to improve the overall quality and longevity of the game. Unless you want more people to leave or look down upon the game due to things that could easily be patched within a day of course, which it surely seems like. P2 was like 1 month long before bgs, and judging by the forums, a lot of you alliance players want AV to be unfun, unchallenging, and broken for the rest of the life cycle of the game. Grow up.
Stop you right there before you get too deep in your own BS.
There is no equal playing field for pvp. Horde will always have better racials, the better pvp class. AV is also built to favour Horde in almost every way except for the bridge, which horde can ignore by wall exploiting anyway. What you want isn’t fair- you want one of the few things allies have (a bubble) nerfed while every advantage horde has remains the same.
Ignorant, your server isn’t even close to balanced, that you think it’s even on the same scope is just a sign of how blind you are. I really wonder if players like you had faced the same sort of imbalance if you’d have left week one of phase 2, or week two. It’s clear you aren’t making it to week three.
You mean Horde, Alliance has already been stripped of most of its population, it’s not coming back. But go ahead, explain how your one sided Horde beneficial changes will save the game by keeping Horde from quitting, despite that being the best thing that can happen.
Oh sorry, did I say that too honestly? I forgot you Hordies are so dedicated suddenly to try to convince Alliance that changes that clearly only benefit the Horde and screw over Alliance are somehow to Alliance’s benefit too.
Woops, plan thwarted!.
Rush AV always was unfun, unchallenging, and broken- so moot point. That aside- I’m not having too bad a time in AV- and if that’s the experience Horde is getting, great, good to hear. What, you think your fun is my concern? You think Horde make it clear you either don’t care for Alliance having fun, or actively want our experience to be miserable- we’re going to turn around and be like ‘oh, but I hope Horde that are intentionally making the game garbage have a good time’.
Screw that, you started this, gloated about those that left and those that just keeled over for the horde- and now are complaining that the ones of us that didn’t are making the game unfun for you. I’m glad it’s not fun for you, I hope it stays broken for you, and I hope your queues get worse. It’s peak arrogance to think you can just misbehave to all lengths and think you can just shrug it off later, it doesn’t get you a free pass if anything it makes you even more unlikable than you already were.
This is what being an adult is about- you treat others like trash, they return it. There’s no teacher there to give the bad kid a slap on the wrist so he knows he can keep doing it without fearing any sort of real consequences, time for you to grow up kid.
I refuse to believe Alliance would stop playing AV without the premade exploit to their advantage.
If half the Alliance rankers are deranked- they won’t be pvping anymore. The only people that bounce back from being deranked are bots, because they haven’t done any work to begin with. If you gave most Alliance players at r8+, and anyone at those ranks has been premading because it’d be stupid not to, a complete derank after they’ve been grinding hard for months, they’d be gone- from pvp, from the game, from Blizz products.
Which is why there’s a 0% chance your info is credible.
“I have a hard time making a valid argument here so Ill go ahead and attack the person arguing rather than the argument” - Every single person losing an argument.
Yea guys, just Mass Dispel the bubble.
Fixed for you. None of those are facts. They are in fact your views. I would agree with your view that 1.12 AV sucks.
And as for your benefits to ally comment, my view is that Blizzard have a significant preference for horde overall. If you have two products to sell evenly (in this case horde and alliance to try and achieve a more balanced pve and pvp population - after all this is a game based on horde v alliance), then both should be promoted evenly with attributes that are attractive to the target player base… Blizzard do not do this. Whether it is storylines, pvp racials, pve racials, streamers faction choice or other promotional opportunities.
I find this hard to believe. Whats next you are also going to tell me you where a Grand Marshal or High Warlord? Along with vanilla speed clear of Naxx ?
No source to confirm this. Tell then please leave the great, skilled alliance players alone. They are skilled and dedicated to reaching Grand Marshal. They want this, they deserve this. It will all be over in four to five weeks. Then they will stop queing.
I like how you lump me into it when I never did any of that. I’m still rank 5. Go filter through my posts if you think I’ve personally had anything to do with any of the trash posts on the forums (800+ of which are from you, funny to hear you tell me to grow up when I’ve offered nothing but faction balanced solutions).
Any time I went out in P2 to any high level zone, there were 10+ man groups of alliance. Horde also did it, but it was about 50%, seemingly more tilted towards alliance. Felwood, Winterspring, and Searing gorge/steppes region were locked down every day. I always played solo because the honor gain was better and I didn’t have to wait around for anyone. Like all you people crying, it was nearly impossible for me to go anywhere or do anything valuable other than fight our way to raids once a week, but I haven’t felt the need to spend literally 2 months spamming forums every day about how mad I am, because it achieves nothing and makes you look stupid.
I’ve played every class and race extensively, including a lot of alliance characters. Funny enough, the mentality between the two factions is almost identical. Give a group of people an advantage, and they abuse it. You saw it with P2, you’re seeing alliance do it now. It’s obvious you’re far too unintelligent to understand the broader scope of the game and how issues like this will damage longevity after naxx releases, and honestly, I really don’t feel bad for you at all. It’s good to know you’re always an indignant madboy who spends every day on these forums spewing trash. If you want to premade rush a single boss 40 times a day instead of PvP, I guess that’s fine, as we all know it likely isn’t changing. It sounds like candy crush saga or some mobile idle game might be suitable for you instead, since you enjoy the idea of spending the entire day repeating the same endless PvE task to progress.
Feel free to pretend that Horde and Alliance are two completely different species of human, it just makes you look like a callous, immature neckbeard. Let’s be real, you’ve gained nothing from all the countless hours crying here but make a name for yourself on the forums as such. Don’t bother responding, there’s nothing to gain from reading what you post. It’s obvious you know that too or you wouldn’t use an alt to obscure yourself.
Can’t you guys just play av how its suppose to be played by actually defending your base.
I mean once a long time ago when you couldn’t out push your enemies in av you looted corpses and turned them into vendors to recruit some npcs into action, though this av version prevents a lot of that from happening.