Auction house changes, yay or nah?

Can’t put the script genie back in the bottle.

Been saying that myself, perhaps the first be a freebie (with a 3 day cooldown) and each subsequent cancel of that item have a 20% fee of the total cost it was posted for tacked on?

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If they’re worried about scripting, then they shouldn’t have created a mount that you can sit on right next to a mailbox and interact with both through targeting macros.

They don’t have to talk to anyone. You can put in the time like everyone else.

We do put the time in. Go out every day to farm everything we sell.

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Pro tip:If you level your bank alt to 5, assuming they are level 1, you can learn Engineering then get a port to 2moons/7stars and you can use the AH there. The AH, bank, mailbox, and guild bank are all within like 1 tap of Q or E from each other.

Con: There’s a bird that’ll kill you sometimes :slight_smile:

i am also aware that TSM is exclusive to certain people.

We know lol, i had to park a character out there to kill it when my wife had her banker out there.

I was thinking about cancels costing a percentage of the posting price. If you made a mistake and posted something so cheaply that it’s worth cancelling, then it’ll still be worth cancelling.

The trick is going to be creating a solution that:

  • Allows the “normal” user to cancel without really noticing the change
  • Removes cancelling from market-running viability
  • Is not defeated by workarounds like multiboxing/multicharacter AH posting

I don’t think that’s a very tight list of constraints, though, and there are probably a great many solutions that fit the bill here.

. . . . it just turns out that “limit all AH activity by a player” ain’t it :stuck_out_tongue:

I’ve always wondered why people don’t use TSM and complain about it. My two theories are they are team immersion or they don’t want to learn how to set it up.

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I hope they’re not hypocrites and turn off power steering in their cars. But then, cars are pretty advanced automation vs just walking so… hrmm.

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Why does it seem that Blizzard cannot do anything without being heavy-handed about it… they lack finesse when making changes.

If you want to stop whales from contantly canceling and re-posting… address the root cause of why people do this by:

  • Abandon the idiotic Last in Wins… it just encourages churn.
  • Distribute any sales evenly or randonly to all sellers within that price bracket.

Address the undercutting that would result by:

  • Forcing sellers to undercut by 5% or more, and not just by a copper, to create true price brackets.

  • Limit Cancels - Only allow items to be canceled for short window of time (for example, the first few minutes to allow someone to spot a mistake and cancel a mis-posted item) but beyond the window the item is on the selling block for the duration of the auction. This may seem harsh, but it is not harsher than placing a bad bid on an item.

  • Put a HUGE timeout to re-post canceled items to avoid people exploiting this above cancel window.

The learning curve IS pretty steep.

I decided to get it anyway, started learning how to use it, and found out that I probably still won’t get anywhere because I don’t have the time to spend out-cancelling the leaders in that field on my server.

If Blizzard doesn’t actually take steps to fix the issue, I guess I’ll just go back to forgetting about crafting again.

As if Blizz sold the auction house to Comcast…

It’s another way they are telling us how to play the game. You like to gold-make on the AH? Blizz is helping you with that as of now. You like to do crafting? Blizz helped you with that by locking your mats behind Heroic+ instances. You play their way, or you get this.

How about if you do over 200 swings in an instance, you get your attacks throttled? If you move over 200 steps in 1 minute, your movement gets throttled?

Maybe too may folks make enough money to earn a token each month, and now Blizz feels that they’re not making enough money.

Nobody complained, nobody asked for this.

I do about 500 auctions per day, most of it is crap I made while leveling professions. I rarely do cancel scans, I just check my auctions each day to make sure I’m posting. The devs have so many smart people on staff, this is the best they could come up with?

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Some suggestions:

  1. Add 3- and 7-day listing options for people who only list 1-2 times per week. (Taking the blue post at face value , these aren’t the problem AH users.)

  2. Increase deposit fees. This discourages cancellation and reposting.

  3. Or double the deposit fees, with half of the deposit fee returned if the item isn’t purchased.

  4. Instead of keeping deposit fees proportional to listing times (i.e., where 48 hours costs four times as much as 12 hours), increase the cost of shorter listing in relative terms. E.g., a listing fee for 12-, 24-, and 48-hour listing might be 50s, 80s, and 1g. Cancel and reposters will have to pick the shorter time frames, and will lose all their deposit every time. This will hurt high-churn sellers the most, rather than high volume / long tail sellers.

  5. Make the deposit fee dynamic, i.e., it starts high, drops by a quarter after 50% of the time period, and gradually drops to 1/2 of the initial deposit, with the remaining half refunded.

Goblins keep the economy alive
Blizzard: Lets get them out

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As someone who often logs in and wants to start their relisting pass now instead of waiting 30 mins for stuff to expire - this should also be taken into account - as should the impact of no longer being able to cancel an item and sell it to someone who messages you an offer.

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imagine being this out of touch with reality

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Get outta here Bernie Sanders lol I’m not splitting my gold with anyone :rofl:

I’d say I could teach anyone the basics in 15 minutes. If you want to make custom minPrices though yeah you’ll be doing some reading lol.

The people you’re talking about aren’t going to be defeated by this change, even if it was back to 25. You know the autistic kids you see on the news sometimes that counted how many stars were over their house in 5 minutes? That’s who the top people controlling markets are, autistic AH people. And I don’t mean autistic in an offensive way, I mean they posses overwhelming focus and ingenuity.

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For “not wanting to wait 30 minutes”, I could see allowing some off-period posting durations - maybe 23 or 22 hours instead of 24, if you log on the same time every day to post, so that your unsold items are ready for you when you log on.

Cancelling just to sell to someone with an offer is trickier - it’s that design initiative that got us to this point in the first place. I’m not sure how you could balance that design with breaking mass cancelling.