Misfits and outcasts, yes.
Evil? Nah.
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It was the evil faction relative to us as human beings, the gamers. It was advertised as such. Story wise, the alliance has skeletons in its closet, but at the front of things, Alliance = good, Horde = evil. That was the beginning measurement of it. And people keep acting like the Tauren were goody too shoes. You forget how horrifying they use to be.
So much for the writing âheating upâ in Midnight, eh?
In another year people will be saying that TLT will turn everything around. Just like they said about DF, TWW, and Midnight.
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I donât quite understand where the misunderstanding is when a guy drops nukes on cities, desecrates ancient holy lands with the magic of Old Gods, conquer lands of other nations with the ultimate goal to rule the whole world, introduces racial segretation in the Horde and murders all people with a different opinion. Heâs basically the evil guy from history, not this misunderstood, poor figure, lol.
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Newsflash: In WoWâs world, thatâs not the standard of how bad things can get. Thereâs FAR more worse people in the story than him. You guys only stick to Garrosh cause thatâs the only part of WoW you know.
yeah dude
thrall was evil for breaking free from his slavers and arthas was a super good guy for eradicating his entire kingdom
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OK I guess I just imagined the secret police, the retrenched slave trading, the toxically aggressive attitude from multiple quest givers, etc in the time I was there trying to take care of somethingâŚ
In a world with demons made of murder and lemon juice people are still stuck on Garry as the embodiment of pure distilled evil.
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Could they be âVisitingâ them via some kind of âshaman ancestral vision storyâstuff?
Id need to see the quests that came before or after to judge tbh. For all I know this quest takes place AFTER that portal is reopened for some reason. So meh.
The first Horde wasnât a refuge club, it was a demon-corrupted war machine.^^"
Gulâdan and Kilâjaeden had the orc clans guzzle Mannorothâs fel blood, wipe out most of the draenei, then blitz through the Dark Portal to torch Stormwind.
The humans fled north and rallied the other kingdoms, high elves, and dwarves into the Alliance of Lordaeron specifically to stop that rampage. After the Horde lost the Second War, its remnants were penned in internment camps until Thrall escaped, rejected fel magic and rebuilt the faction around outcast races like orcs, trolls, tauren and forsaken.
So Thrallâs âfamily for the unwantedâ idea is a much later reboot, not the founding principle.
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Thrall proceeded to enact his revenge in a way that would make Garrosh blush. What Arthas did, also, was normal in their world. It just so happened his actions led to the creation of a undead dictator.
I am not referencing the first horde, at all
at least not intentionally
Oh, ok, my bad
you say this like after breaking out of durnholde he immediately was on Draenor, lavachoking Garrosh
he had a moment of weakness and was overwhelmed by anger for what Garrosh had done to his legacy, a final gambit to make sure Garrosh paid for his multitude of crimes, likely knowing the elemental spirits of draenor probably knew the customs of a makâgora due to their intimate familiarity with the orcish people and their customs due to ages of communing with them
and the elements punished him for it by no longer communicating with him, to boot
he hasnât used anything resembling elemental magic ever since, and said as much when he allowed the farseer to take the doomhammer
and he still has yet show any resurgence of his elemental affinity
a single action doesnât make an entire faction of people/race evil, theyâre way more complex than that
âItâs a trilogy, just give them an opportunity to bring it home in TLT!â
Theramore was an active participant in a war started by the Alliance, and was funnelling troops to the theater where the Alliance broke the ceasefire and reignited the war.
Desecrating the sacred grounds of others is not some unforgivable offense, the Dwarves had been doing it to the Tauren for years, it was done to the Frostwolves, etc.
The war was started by the Alliance and the ceasefire was ended by the Alliance. The Hordeâs initial goals were for food security, considering they were economically dependent upon a hostile foreign power that had maintained a punitive trade embargo resulting in âchild starvationâ in Orgrimmar.
Also, if you want to tell me how âConquering lands from other nations is badâ I expect disavowals of Thrall because of the quillboar, and disavowals of most Human kingdoms and the Quelâdorei because of the Trolls.
Garrosh hadnât even committed to total political control of Kalimdor until âTides of War,â naturally when a war escalates the scale and scope of victory conditions is going to escalate as well.
False, already debunked above.
Lorâthemar was cracking down on dissent by mindcontrolling those speaking out against him, and nobody really seemed to care.
The functions of secret police have been utilized by other nations in Azeroth that nobody seems to take much issue with. Burning Crusade-era Silvermoon had magisters acting as enforcers.
Slavery continued under Thrallâs reign, and one of his chief political advisors was a slaveholder.
Not everyone in the world is going to be nice 
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Everything youâre spouting is Cataclysm revision to make you empathize with Thrall. Before that, he was as vicious as Varian was.
We ainât talking about your World of Peacecraft rendition.
Itâs hard to get past what I saw in Org and the surrounding area under Garrosh when I was there, not really any lore detail thatâs going to excuse the way he ran the place.
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I spouted literal wod+ stuff
being vicious has little to do with an entire faction
you either entirely misinterpreted all of thrallâs wc campaign or just simply canât accept that the horde arenât actually typecast as villains
Why is this thread full of âbut other people did bad stuff tooâ as if the posters criticizing Garrosh are by default OK with any of the other stuff.
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The Horde are not villains. I didnât say that. I said they were the evil faction. Now use your brain again to understand why.