I’m leveling my first alt a paladin tank and plan to get them up into 15s no real desire to go higher. So far my highest key tanked was +11 as a bear.
My decision between venthyr and kyrian comes down to will I need to kite as a pally at +15 because if so I’ll take kyrian but if I can stand and face tank I’ll go venthyr for ashen hollow.
Any input is appreciated, general or pally specific.
When the incoming damage is more than your defensive cooldowns can mitigate, and the healer is running out of mana or struggling to keep you up.
It is a moving target. Early on, a 5 might feel hard, then 8, then 10, 12, 15. I’ve found that 10+ you need to start thinking about it at times, 12+ certain packs start to really hurt. That is at about 210ilvl.
Then add in the random M+ affix of the week, and it can really shuffle things around.
Whether you need to kite comes down to dungeon, affixes, your gear (and competency) and the Healers gear and competency.
There is no magic number. As you tank, you will start to know which packs do too much damage and which packs do not. You will start to realize when you are taking too much damage and the healer is struggling.
You kite when you need to and that depends on you gear level, your group composition and skill, the affixes…
I am currently pushing 18s and for most pulls I do not need to kite. Some pulls require me to disengage, but that is separate from kiting. Of course there are some pulls that do need it at any key level.
If your goal is myhics, I highly recommend Kyrian with First Avenger talent.
A lot of it comes down to cool down management and group utilities. If the group doesnt help interrupt, stun, or use utilities you will have to move around more. However, managing personal defensives is the biggest thing.
I was leaning that way, mostly because I like having a solid one minute cooldown instead of a crazy burst 4 minute cooldown.
Thanks to all for the replies
What’s your gear? 200?
At 200 you should kite at +10.
200 is on gear level for 10s. If op was pushing keys above their ilvl then yes kiting will need to happen, but 200 at 10+ sounds right on track. Now if op was pushing 12s at 200 then that would be a different story.
For pugging and learning the pulls, I would also recommend taking the Final Stand talent. It is a great emergency button and lets you hold agro. Sometimes I will intentionally pull big and just stand there with the bubble so they stay grouped up while dps cleaves.
At +10 you will have a 200 healer too…now imagine 200 pug healers…
Put a shill down your spine doesn’t it.
You gotta kite well before they run out of mana.
imagine having to kite a raid boss,
I’ll put kiting m+ tank in the same category as pillar humping in arena. Dumb mandatory mechanics.
Don’t be giving them ideas, the minute they introduce a mechanic that requires a specific thing to be performed you are going to have one class excel and the rest just fail. Which is what happened in SL, you must kite and much more than any other expansion which put DH’s at the top and some tanks not even getting a chance.
I don’t like it either, just adjusting to what needs done I guess.
I play a tank because I like to stand there, use mitigation and cooldowns to live while the team enjoys their dps glory!
I only pug, so my spine feels normal to me /shrug. 200 is on par for 10s.
If healer is going oom in between pride pulls then either dps is not strong enough, utilities are not being used, or avoidable damage is not being avoided.
No one kites M+ bosses.
You did pugs at +10 with all members 200?
Pretty sure a lot of people (not me lol) completed the first 15s with people all under 200
Yeah they are doing +24 right now. Those are pro players.
I pushed 10s over 2 months ago when the average ilvl was much lower. So yes the entire group was 200-205. This was when cov gear was still time gated.
Your free to look at my io run history and look at the first 10s iv done.
It is especially doable now after .all of the nerfs
Well you must had to kite at some pulls, no? Especially in Fortified.
Kiting some pulls yes, but very few even on fortified. Most pulls I face tank.