And what happens when the next big thing occurs, or they release 8.3. Those top streamers will go back to what makes them their fans. Most did when 8.2 came out. Even Asmongold is aiming to kill Azshara. Do you really think Pokimane is going to keep playing WoW Classic? Or Panzer who completely dumped on Classic for years.
FotM was a think during Vanilla, so you can’t claim it’s new.
Try getting on an alt account and saying something unpleasant about streamers and being noticed. They will send their hordes of fans to mass report you and get you thrown off the forums, even if you didn’t break any rules on language or decorum.
Don’t believe me? Try it, then you can talk about the negative influence they have on wow, speech, the game, etc.
Those aren’t stats of a 10 to 1 ratio of people joining to people leaving.
By the way, I agree that streamers make the community more toxic.
What does this have to do with the money they bring in WHILE they are playing classic? Are you understanding the point I’m making? Just because they will move onto other things does NOT mean that they won’t make classic a lot of money while they are advertising it. I’m not arguing that streamers are going to stream classic forever and make classic sustainable for the rest of time. I’m saying that WHILE they are playing classic and advertising it, they are making the company money. Period.
The streamer followers are strange but i am finding this obessive hatred of streamers even stranger.
Yall know which server to avoid now, just have fun and forget about the streamers.
Yeah, but it didn’t have nearly the exposure it did until streamers helped draw attention to it.
Do you really not get how this relates? Both are situations where you’re blaming people’s overreactions on the thing they’re overreacting to.
Streamers didn’t make your friends go to Herod. There are 11 different US servers. The streamers are on one of them. Your friends have 100% to do with it.
It was pretty clear that the impact we’re talking about is a negative one. This would be a positive impact that paved the way for the game.
I’m saying it wouldn’t have happened by now. Without streamers it may have happened eventually, but without the free exposure and advertisement, they wouldn’t be launching it yet.
You could say the same about nostalrius, or even the guy who asked about it at blizzcon. That doesn’t mean that without the blizzcon question classic wouldn’t exist.
Sodapoppin in particular made a youtube video talking about the idea. It’s not the first time a youtuber has brought it up. It wasn’t the last. That doesn’t mean without his video we wouldn’t have classic.
Huh? I didn’t mention any overreactions with my friends or guild. The only info I gave you was that they’re going to Herod… and therefor I’m going to Herod too.
You explicitly said zero impact. Zero is neither positive nor negative.
You simply said it wouldn’t exist without streamers. I don’t agree. I think it would exist.
If you’re saying it just would have taken longer… I’m not sure. I don’t think any of us have enough clairvoyance to know whether that’s true or not.
The point is that none of that goes to Blizzard, because there are no mount sales, no pets, no WoW tokens, and the sub is shared.
Blizzard would get just as much money from those people if they were staying in Retail.
So every single person who watches summit, sodapoppin, asmon, forsen, timthetatman, etc has a wow sub RIGHT now for retail. Really? Come on dude get real, you can’t have your blinders on this badly.
Edit: Not to mention I wasn’t just calling out classic I said streamers make the COMPANY money. So it doesn’t matter what game they are subbed to to play with them. I said streamers=company getting money.
No, but those people might make 1 month sub before getting bored. Streamer followers are as fickle as the streamer’s choice of games. Asmongold is playing Retail, so why aren’t they playing Retail with him?
That’s LITERALLY BRINGING IN MONEY LOL. It doesn’t matter if they only sub for a month or 100 months. I said streamers bring in money, I am not talking just specifically classic I’m saying they bring in money period. If they are subbed to play with asmon on retail then THATS MONEY THAT HE BROUGHT IN TO THAT COMPANY.
How are you not understand this LOL you are even repeating what I’m saying and you still aren’t getting it.
Here I’ll point one out for you.
That’s 1 month of money for blizzard right? So you agree that they bring in money. RIGHT?
I never claimed they wouldn’t bring in money. Go back to where you started ranting at me.
The culture they bring in is not worth the small amount of money they bring in, because they push out players who might otherwise play for months or years.
They lose the company money if they give them $15 and lose them $150.
Why are you even responding to anything I am saying then? This whole conversation was me telling the warlock up there that blizzard invites streamers to special things because they bring them money and exposure. He disagreed and said streamers don’t bring in any money. And now you’re butting into this conversation to bring up a completely different point without even clarifying that your point is that the money isn’t worth the culture? LOL dude do you know how conversation works
/facepalm dude
Streamers are Youtubers are often viewed as a free marketing tool for Modern WoW, and this I will tell you only works out for Modern WoW because the game is not good enough to sell it self on it’s fantastic game play.
Contrary to that Modern WoW situation, Classic WoW does not NEED or depend on Streamers or Youtbers or any other Social media BS to be both interesting and fun. Instead those parasites depend on US, the Classic WoW community.
Real people (actual gamers) love Classic WoW because it’s a good game and enjoyable to play.
Because of this REAL people (actual gamers) tell their friends about this amazing game that is really fun and they try it out because some one they actually know in REAL LIFE plays this awesome game and thus the game sells it self. .
No, you claimed that the culture they bring isn’t damaging. It is. And the reason for that is that while they may pay for 1 month sub, they drive away far more than 1 month worth.
It’s not my fault if you can’t read what I was responding to.
I haven’t done the market research that you apparently have, so I can neither confirm nor deny this… but I would imagine that no game company, no matter how good or bad their game is, would ever frown upon free publicity.
Well it looks like you didn’t read the context before butting in, no surprise. I said in the eyes of the company it isn’t. I personally hate the culture they bring in, but that doesn’t matter. I personally hate the culture that ninja brought into fortnite (the kids) but that doesn’t matter. Because in the eyes of the company all they see is $$$ so that’s why they get/got special treatment. Streamers bring in more money for a company than they lose because of the handful of people who leave because of the culture.
And if you want to start a different discussion about the people they drive away I will be glad to discuss that with you as well, even though that was literally NEVER apart of the conversation until right now.
What on earth makes you think they lose more people than they bring in? Can you tell me a single person that has left because they want to stay away from a streamer? Honestly, that’s just a dumb thought if I have ever heard one. If you hate the streamer so much, you can literally avoid them, VERY easily.
That’s how I started watching his stream. I didn’t even know streaming WoW was a thing. But I had see what all the hate about.
To tell you the truth, I think that all the hate posts about him here is better advertising than he could buy. Instead of just ignoring him, they end up promoting him because his name is always in at least one thread on the main page.
For Retail, sure.
For Classic, because of the lack of a store, it does matter and they’re aware of it.
This conversation was never just about classic. I think you have a lot of reading to do to catch up to the point I was making…
With that being said, you’re still incorrect because streamers will still bring in a lot of people to classic specifically that wouldn’t have played retail. This is an obvious fact just like every game that gets streamed. Streamers bring people into games. Period. It doesn’t matter what the game is.