Asmon to destroy Forever

In Development WoW: Forever Beta Discussion
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I watch Asmon. I like his content. But let’s call this what it is:

Asmon has the ability to completely ruin Forever.

And before somebody hits me with the galaxy-brain response of, “LOL mad because Asmon has a big guild,” that’s not the point.

Vanilla worked because the social structure mattered. Your server mattered. Your reputation mattered. Guilds mattered. Trading mattered. Rivalries mattered. PvP mattered.

Then WoW slowly figured out how to turn communities into systems, rewards, checklists, and giant anonymous blobs. Guild achievements were a perfect example. Suddenly, instead of joining a guild because you liked the people, there was incentive to pile into giant guilds because BIG GUILD = MORE STUFF.

Now we’re about to speedrun that same problem.

Asmon isn’t just making a guild. He’s building Olympus across Alliance, Horde, and multiple servers, with a massive audience capable of instantly filling those communities.

At some point, you’re not participating in the server anymore.

You ARE the server.

That’s the problem.

I’m sure I’ll get called fat, stupid, a crybaby, told to touch grass, and informed that my mother is somehow involved. Cool. Get it out of your system.

But I was genuinely interested in Forever, and now I don’t plan on playing it.

Why?

Because if streamer mega-communities dominate the social, trading, guild, and PvP ecosystems from day one, then stop calling it a recreation of the Vanilla experience.

Vanilla never had one dude sitting in front of tens of thousands of people saying, “Everybody join this guild, roll here, buy this, farm that, and attack these guys.”

That technology and audience didn’t exist at this scale.

I’m literally watching the beta while writing this, and honestly, it’s kind of disgusting watching one streamer community swallow the experience that everybody else is supposedly there to test.

So maybe the Collector’s Edition selling out before I bought one was divine intervention.

Saved me some money.

Asmon, seriously:

Do Forever a favor.

Play it.

Stream it.

Enjoy it.

But when it launches, don’t turn the entire game into Olympus: The MMO.

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Blizz needs to stop him. None of his disciples even care to test the BETA which is what they’re there for. They just follow him around and do nothing. Dude is making the game about him and its ugly.

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I don’t understand how you can say “I watch Asmon, I like his content” and then turn around and complain about the sort of behavior that he is encouraging in the game.

You watch Asmon. You like his content. You are actively choosing to give him an audience, which incentivizes him to do exactly what he’s doing. I’m not even going to comment on his political views because, uh, that’s a lost cause, but if you don’t want him around in the game, then stop watching him while he… plays the game.

You are part of the problem. If you don’t like it, then be part of the solution.

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Another “Asmon should be banned” thread that will likely join the tens of other identical threads that have already been closed by moderation.

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He has the attention span of a gnat. He wont be around long, probably not even past beta and he move on to his new click bait streams like always.

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Asmon I’ll do you one better. Stay away from WoW Forever…Forever.

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It’s actually impressive that he has so many followers playing beta when no other streamer is even close. It’s also impressive how many people he seems to irritate and cause to foam at the mouth.

He seems like he has a large community because it’s the beta, but when the game goes live it won’t be an issue. And even if he does continue to have a large community in Forever, what exactly is the problem with that? Should blizzard ban people for being in large guilds?

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The problem isnt him. The problem are the followers being as disruptive and edgy as they can in a desperate attempt to get him to notice them. Every last one of them just endlessly trolling and spamming ragebait and flooding chat channels with complete garbage.

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Ehhhh… The crap he says is Definitely problematic. Dude is a random right wing talking point generator. He’s known for advocating for the genocide of Palestinians, not to mention his general support for violence towards people.

The followers he has are the way they are because he has cultivated and encouraged that following.

At some point, Blizz really has to be like “Do we want that on our game? in our communities?”

I hope the answer is no. I hope the fact that there are several addons to deal with his cult of followers is enough to show them why it is unhealthy to allow him to access their services.

Asmongold causes harm with his words and actions, but most of all through the direction of his followers.

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Yes, Blizzard should start banning players for political opinions, I’m sure that will go well.

Left wing commentators advocate for violence constantly. Should they and all their followers be banned?

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Not just for political opinions. Having opinions is fine. I might think his opinions are wrong and make him a terrible person for spouting them off, but he is entitled to them. Cultivating and driving a community to action is not okay, and is an actionable, bannable offense IMO.

Also, whataboutisms are not really helpful in any discussion. No, advocating for violence is never OK from any faction.

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Right wing is… LE BAD

Grow up.

The only problem is the behavior of Olympus members. They act like a bunch of attention starved degenerates and they do it purely in pursuit of getting his attention for a split second.

If they acted like actual normal humans the only problem would be the world ending lag cloud that follows his roach swarm around.

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I dont wach Asmon. I fully intend to join his guild 1st thing, day 1 on release ! Simply because of all the people trying to cancel him over words they dont like.

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Alright well, not going to sit here and debate ignorant right wing advocates who think it’s totally fine to turn minorities into an enemy to be fought and defeated.

Asmongold is a terrible person. His followers are terrible people. Simple as. Do better, be better human beings.

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I’m genuinely amazed you say you watch and like Asmon’s content. If you actually watch his content you would know he’s doing this temporarily. Even if he builds the massive guild you’re afraid of, he will wont be playing it for long. The guild may live on but it wont be ran by him.

His biggest content on Youtube is politics and game reviews. This is exactly how he reviews games. He will live stream it for a while, then move on to the next biggest or newest thing.

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Until this point…just because i watch(ed) him does not mean i continue to and continue to support this.

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I so desperately hope that they don’t go through with this “one mega server” nonsense. I just want stable low pop servers. No streamer chuds or degen orbiters.

Please Blizzard, give us a “non streamer” refuge for those of us who just want to play the game the way it’s meant to be.

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I hope that is the case but as long as this gives him views and content he will milk it for everything…and the content you mentioned, the politics and game reviews is what i watched. And he has already built the guild in Beta, its 50k + at this point and as soon as Forever launches they will do the same thing.

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Ya’ll obsess over this dude way too much. For him. Against him. Who cares? Why do you let some internet rando live rent-free in your mind? Go focus your thoughts on something meaningful.

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I dont understand why so many people are against him. I have yet to bump into one of his guildmates being a nuisance. my main concern to test beta and find bugs. but community activity IS supposed to be part of the game, unless he is encouraging activities that are against ToS I dont’ see why Blizzard should ban him or his followers.

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