and thats my fault, and thats why you need to make stuff up about the past right? thats why you need to make up false things about the alliance to tell yourself that the alliance deserves it sure thing
I figured. I was just responding to the OP saying that the Alliance didn’t get any satisfactory conclusions. I guess it’s an unpopular opinion, but I enjoyed MoP on my Alliance character.
It is unpopular. The whole thing felt as is Blizzard let the Alliance ‘‘win’’ so Alliance players would shut up about faction bias so they gave them the emptiest and most meaningless win possible.
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TBH, no, I’ll freely admit it was just my interpretation of events I suppose. My bad. Once Cen started, I see no reason for him (or the NEs following him) to have stopped. His motives far surpassed just defending the Forest at that point. But, who knows, maybe he truly would have stopped at the tree line (though, I’m not sure why? If he was worried the Orcs were leading to a Legion Invasion, why would it be any better if a foothold was settup in the barrens?)
That being said, I truly don’t hate the Alliance as a Faction, but they do bother me conceptually. I used to love them, but god damned do I hate how Blizz bends over backwards to shelter them from any sense of nuance or grey. I hate how they use the fact that sort of possibility existing within the Horde as an excuse to use us the way they do; but that doesn’t translate into drawing me into a faction Blizz truly has turned into the superfriends. I’ve always been one who deeply dislikes the faction conflict, but the lack of moral spectrum within the Alliance is frustrating.
EDIT: Here’s a prediction for example. Blizz is so committed to “whitewashing” the “Alliance”, that Arthas will get a redemption story within Shadowlands. Uther is there. Calia is there. Jaina is there. The guy is going to get one, and cut that laundry list of TWO Alliance regrets down to one.
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Then dont act like your headcanon its valid its not no ones headcanon is valid Dont act like if the horde was justified in the war, that would make the war crimes ok, thats disgusting, like the alliance isnt ok in genociding the horde, cause teld happened
My opinion on it is that 5.3 was an “oh crap, we didn’t finish turning the horde on itself” and had to crank it up to sell it for those who didn’t really care about Vol’jin getting necked. Alliance seemed like an afterthought because…well, they were. It’s not like they needed a reason to hate the horde at that point.
What exactly do you do with the robot cat quest, again? Just read some plans and that’s it?
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I don’t think they were justified in Teld, god no, but Blizz made them more than justified the WoT (if they had just let things friggen count).
The attempted assassination of the Horde’s new Warchief was no less an act of War against the Horde than when Varian literally declairing it in WotLK. The attack on Horde civilians with the Bilgewater in Silithus was absolutely and Act of War (with Grizzek and Sapphy being written as a shallow excuse to justify it). The filling of Org with so many SI:7 agents you could trip over them, to deliberately send the message that the Alliance was always watching … an immensely hostile act for what was not an act of aggression against the Alliance in the Gathering.
Sylvie’s argument of “They’ll attack us eventually” wasn’t BS because that argument is atrocious, it was BS because the Alliance was already attacking the Horde. But, none of those events were allowed to count, and just like Teld was on the Horde’s BfA Story … the best you could hope for was a passing mention. They weren’t supposed to count, because then the Alliance couldn’t be the aggressor. Its the start of the Garrosh war in Cata all over again.
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being justified doesnt make war crimes ok
Of course not, but the WoT as an independent event was not really all that remarkable. It was one of the most generic military actions against an enemy military power I’ve ever seen. Saurfang built his entire battleplan with keeping not just the NE civilization intact, but the NE leadership alive as well. Hell, it downright depended on it. Any rogue that killed civilians in the preliminary attack did so directly against his orders. He even orders the players to remove non-combatants.
Frankly, the War of Thornes … would have been more than justified if Blizz had simply allowed it to be; because the Alliance was already effectively at war with the Horde. They killed civilians for harvesting a resource the Alliance had no claim to for goodness sake. Nothing could justify Teldrassil however … and that’s the major reason Blizz made sure that topic was never brought up on the Horde side of the story (they genuinely couldn’t figure out how to write around it).
Lets just hope … that they don’t ever try to justify it. Which they might, give em time.
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Also, I suspect the devs were planning to have a bunch of “Trials of the High King” content in that patch and had nothing to replace it with when it got cut.
Right, but Teldrassil was also a cultural and religious sight for Night Elves. Not only that, but it also carried the Blessing of Alextraza and Yesera, without which, Night Elves suffer a degree of health issues. So, the burning of Teldrassil was a targeted attack against night elves specifically, and the hope for their future.
Not to derail the topic too much to go back to one of your own Aki, but do we actually know the extent of the health issues without the blessings is? Like, is it is just that they’re vulnerable to diseases and aging again, or is it something more? Because I seem to recall Staghelm’s wife dying in childbirth while she was still very much under the influence of Nordrassil’s blessings? So that sort of health complication was still present even during the Long Vigil.
Malf seemed rather keen on relearning how to live mortal lives, and that was b4 Teld was ever blessed? Was he just deranged in his belief that the NEs could handle life without such magical boons? Also, doesn’t the second WoE still play a part in their longevity?
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Well, A certainly think Malfurion is deranged. I think Tyrande is a far better leader than her husband.
But as for the extent of the health issues… We aren’t sure. Blizzard had never been one for specifics. Whatever the extent though, it is significant if people can die, and feel the physical effects of aging, after only 7 years of a mortal life.
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Hmm … I wonder if they have a compromised immune system due to its over reliance on the Blessings? For a really obscure reference, sort of like how the Jaffa couldn’t live without the symbiotes in Stargate (that show, still suprisingly good thru season 8). That being said, I suppose any aging after 10k years of no aging whatsoever is bound to be more noticeable.
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Just wanna say I am so sorry Droite that you have to deal with these people. Sycophants are never easy to deal with. I commend you on your effort.
Quite possibly one of the most pathetic posts I’ve seen on here, congrats. ‘‘People have different opinions on a video game story so they are SYCOPHANTS!’’
Bet you clapped yourself on the back after that one.
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Thank you.
I come to this thread to offer cookies 
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As defined by the original C&C game, they are a military resource. You can’t build fortifications without them.
Idk, as far the forums go, I think this is about as respectful as a disagreement can get.