Me and everyone that disagrees with you and instead cheered me on. Are you forgetting about those people?
Yes, you are.
Show interest, which is a motivating factor in continuing to produce the game. Once again, proving me right while torching your own arguments. Thanks again.
This doesn’t answer my question. My question for you again:
To think that this is generally “part of the fun”. You have to assume that most of the people would find that experience fun. I highly doubt that more people find that experience fun than frustrating.
You claim that if we add automation we will kill a social aspect but for leveling content there is almost no social interaction. I got 1 person willing to talk to me after shuffling through 3 group before finally getting someone willing to communicate and travel to summon with me. That happens often and even when that doesn’t happen it is very rare to have any kind of answer from people when I prod them. Even if I speak spanish to them. They don’t want to talk. The assumption that it is more frequent in groups that are automated is very hard to believe. And yes it is a belief.
Standing there manipulating a clunky window system for half an hour to hours is not social interaction.
Right now the population for leveling is high as the hype for the game dies down it will get harder and harder to form groups for leveling as the player pool reduces. How is no dungeon leveling a better social interaction than dungeon leveling?
And the claim that LFD is for retail is laughable and can only be claimed by people who haven’t played Retail since M+ were a part of it. LFD is not used in retail. It is only used for leveling, at max level you do not use it at all. Leveling takes a few hours and is not really part of the game at all(and it is not because LFD exist but because the rate at which you gain experience is way higher). So a claim that LFD is what makes retail bad isn’t gonna be very sound. Telling people to go to retail to use LFD is misinformation because if you go to retail, you will not be using it.
So you and rdf, so 2 people… thats still not everyone.
Is the 15 dollar price tag necessary to showing interest? If they removed the 15 dollar cost could you still show interest?
They do make money, plenty of money from box sales.
My question still stands. Did they not make enough from box sales and where did the sub cost go? Did the patches for Wrath equal up to roughly 4 billion dollars? If the answer is no then where did all that money go and why did we pay it?
Zenixes and Redrum too.
Yes, you could. Could you show a meaningful interest without putting up some money though? No.
Again, this doesn’t answer my question. My question again:
It went all over the place. Paying salaries, other projects, building upgrades, etc. etc. Businesses are in the business of making money Kelliste. As much as they can. What are you failing to understand here?
Who are these people?
Yes, you can. Amount of time played. In fact it would be a better metric. The longer they spend playing the more interest they have in it. Paying that 15 dollars and they could play an hour a week doing a raid with their guild and not logging back on.
And im saying they do make money, enough from box sales. So there isnt any reason not to continue development.
Its not just making money.
People that disagree with you.
Already you destroyed your own argument by introducing money into the equation. Fact of the matter is businesses want to make money from their products Kelliste. What about this is difficult for you to understand?
That’s not what I’m asking. I’m asking if they didn’t make money at all, from box sales, subs, or cash shop, would they continue production?
What is it then Kelliste?
And who are they. You keep posting something of Zinzes which could entirely be sarcastic post because they have been going at Rdf pretty hard.
No I havent. You just took something out of context.
They did, the box price is the product. What about this is difficult for you to understand?
Yes it is.
You dont know? Then why are you talking about businesses and what they should or shouldnt do?
Am I dumb or 99% of your argument with Kelliste is off topic? It’s very hard for me to figure out what most of your point are about without scrolling through a lot of previous posts.
People that diagree with you.
RDF and I aren’t the same person. They disagree with you.
No amount of context would alter your statement.
No part of it. The fact is businesses want to make AS MUCH MONEY AS POSSIBLE. There are no limits to it. You can call it greed or whatever but that’s how capitalism works, sweet summer child. Are you incapable of understanding this?
No, it isn’t.
I do know, I’m asking you for YOUR perspective. I can assign one to you instead if you’d like.
Just so you know, you’re talking to someone who owns their own business. What do you own?
I havent seen either of them anywhere.
Where did I say that you were?
Even at the expense of their customer base?
more insults.
Why start now? You spoke yourself up to a point where I didnt need to give you my perspective.
I dont care.
Thats not something you need to know.
No, you arent. I said “you dont pay for blizzard to make the game” and they went off on some side tangent because they just want to argue something.
Do you ALWAYS argue in bad faith like this? Bloomsday has done nothing but prove you wrong.
What part of what I said is in bad faith? They clearly want to argue something.
And now you both blame each other for keeping the tangent going? Is it a chicken game now?
I’ve quoted them. If you want to bury your head in the sand, that’s on you.
Where did I say you did? I’m saying it’s foolish of you to bring up Zin’s treatment of RDF as if that’s indicative of any sort of sarcasm towards me. That’s because we’re not the same person. Zin can be against you and RDF at the same time.
Well if it was at the expense of the player base, then they’d stop making money, wouldn’t they?
Asking a question isn’t an insult.
Right then, I’m guessing you can’t elaborate then. You simply threw something out because you had no other answer.
It shows I’m more than qualified to talk about this.
So nothing but poorly thought out arguments, got it.
It’s not a tangent on my end. It is on his though. Of course I want to continue the discussion, it’s in my favor to.
Im just stubborn. Im not blaming just them for keeping it going, they just started the whole thing because they want to argue.
My money is on Blooms.
No you didnt, you quoted Zinzes. I dont know who these Zenixes and Redrum people are.
Where are they and who are they?
Why say you arent the same person unless you thought I was saying you were both the same person?
Then why is blizzard doing it? Are you saying they are a bad business? Why dont you take over then?
They are if they imply im stupid. Just come out and say what you really want to say.
You can own a failing business. So I still dont care.
I do think your reading comprehension is better from reading a few of your previous exchanges. But where it is at right now. I don’t think the argument adds any weight for or against LFD. Seems almost totally unrelated to the topic.
Zinzes = Zenixes. I got the name wrong. Redrum has been seen liking multiple posts of mine against you.
In this thread and they’re people that disagree with you and have called you out for it/
Learn to read:
They aren’t. You’re still here and paying every month. Doesn’t sound like it’s at the expense of the player base.
How you interpret things is on you.
You must not have heard of me. I own many successful businesses. Again, what do you own? What is your experience with the subject matter? Nothing?