Maximum level gear.
Lowered outdoors difficulty related to that gear.
Easier content passing (helping friends) also related to that gear.
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A better analogy is that you paid a gym membership and now you expect an Olympic medal because you showed up.
You can experience sports casually with a gym membership. You can also get an Olympic medal. But you have to work for the latter, it’s not free.
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Buying product, not a chance to improve ourselves.
If those so called “world first” are so good, let them do impossible wonderful things without gear leverage.
Set maximum gear level the same from mythic raids and world quests.
What is the problem, suddenly skill capped?
How about instead of destroying the game you just face the fact you’re delusional and think you’re better than WF players while brainlessly doing WQs and crying on the forums for free gear. lol
I am better than world first players, I dont want to spend half my life in the game.
235 ilvl gear should be available from world quests (at least one per week),
nobody will be hurt.
Wait, I should’ve added “lol” to make my argument solid.
lol
there we go.
Raiders and mythic plus people can hit a gear wall two months into a patch as well. There will be more patches added to shadowlands, like any other expansion, and with them will come additional gear to acquire.
This is how wow has worked forever. The difference is that for casuals, they have the ability to participate in raids and mythic dungeons to seek better gear after they hit the “casual content wall”
If they don’t want to raid or do dungeons that is fine. But there shouldn’t be a system where you keep killing boars in the forest and infinitely upgrade your ilvl
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What does it give you to strive for? 
This thread by the OP is basically titled:
How to Lick a boot clean:
And 101 different ways you can find enjoyment in it!
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^ essentially this
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I think this is secretly written by Dolores Umbridge.
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Or maybe I just understand the concept of actually earning something and not crying about it when it’s not immediately given to me via welfare???
Maybe some of us actually do believe in a capitalistic model and not this socialistic crap that keeps creeping into every aspects of our lives including video games?
Where the most amateur players such as myself have this unending need to have our little time validated with some crap on the screen versus just ENJOYING what we are doing…
Listen, here’s the deal - hardcore players just play harder and better than me. I’m absolutely not ignorant of that fact and I definitely see it in a PvP setting. I come from ESO, where Zenimax loves to throw bones at casuals for doing the most trivial crap.
Log in daily? HERE’S YOUR REWARDS WOOOO #FEELSGOOD
I left because I hate that model. We shouldn’t be rewarded for everything we do, every time. I agree with the state of the loot versus taking a diablo approach of just showering you in crap.
I also agree with their decision to reward those THAT PLAY THE DAMN CONTENT AND PLAY IT GOOD - MORE REWARDING LOOT AK.A BETTER ITEMS THAT I DONT NEED.
If you can’t understand this basic truth - then lmk and I can ELI5.
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I don’t even know what “camp” I belong to anymore, all I know is I don’t like casino-rng-timegates…
I do M+ (keystone-master pusher atm), I have been a booster, I dabble in Pet-battle, I collect cosmetics, I enjoy making Rp profiles, I abandoned hardcore raiding some expansion ago.
Now I am just tired and feel like I am being whipped around on a leash.
What camp do I belong to? Where/what are my benefits?
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Again–you’re clearly someone who thinks naively that things are fair and people can pull themselves up by their own bootstraps if they have enough gumption. Yet you’ll still lecture people about how you know life is unfair.
Again you basically wrote a thread about boot licking and brown nosing. I’m sorry you disagree with me but that’s all I see here. No merit on your arguments, a desire not rock the boat, or question how things are; I get it–it’s probably easier that way.
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We pay the same price for the product,
yet the experience is drastically different (in Thorgast or Maw) depending on your gear level. Which is utterly unfair.
197ilvl needs to spend 30 minutes longer in Thorgast than 220ilvl.
This is not fair.
Make the mythic progression only usable in mythic progression <- would be much more fair.
I wouldn’t mind that the guilds like Method? or what they are called, would insta kill everything in mythic raid after they progressed there, I wouldn’t care.
Would you argue that you shouldn’t need to level and instead everyone start at the same level so that the experience of all individuals is more similar? Eg, folks starting now don’t have their experience compromised by having to devote time to leveling in lieu of gearing up?
There is no leveling in WOW since SL release, you been sleeping?
They could just remove that level number alltogether at this point.
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Would you elaborate on this? Are you saying the leveling process is non-existent?
i’m already pretty bored, there isn’t much they could add that would make me more bor…
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It is so sped up (speeded up?) that it is almost practically non-existent.
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Yes–I will say it’s non-existent.
It took less than 2 weeks to go from 1-50; Then only took 3-4 days to go from 50-60.
All in total about 7 days of casual play. So ya–if I play a “RPG” and I hit max level in a week without actually seriously grinding, ya you don’t have a leveling process, just a long meaningless tutorial that doesn’t even show you what the endgame looks like.
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