Arugal-Server merge?

WoW Classic Mists of Pandaria Classic Discussion
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It pains me to say this but I believe its time that Arugal (OCE) joins the US mega servers. The number of players seems to be dwindling and even finding a pug or two to fill in is turning out to be an impossible task. There is no longer a healthy population level to sustain the server and I can only imagine the issue is even worse on the alliance side.

Yes playing with a US ping will suck (I remember going from a ~180ms on the original Deviate Delight to ~3ms on Arugal was amazing) but its better than the alternative which is a dead server which we can not enjoy anyway.

Anyone care to share their thought?

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Agreed, server merges need to happen at this point, this realm has gone from a lively server to a ghost town.

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If we merge and I go back to old ping, that is me done I will quit, sorry if that sounds stupid, but I do not want to go through that pain again.

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This should 100% be looked into and done. Its wild its being left to rot at this point.

I feel for you guys this is a slightly worse case than Grobbulus and speaking from experience that was an utter disaster.

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The problem is mainly, Blizzard abandoning MOP to a degree, there are so many bugs, texture issues, that never appeared in original mop, scenario’s that have bugs for many months and idk if they have been fixed yet, then you have platinum challenge modes that many people cheat on via exploits under the ground with warlock portal etc, and then support tickets being ai responses, TOT I haven’t done it this week but Durumu was/is bugged, Lei ’Shen is bugged, stuff doesn’t get addressed and people just leave, it is as simple as that.

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Its a pretty easy pattern to figure out with them. Here it is:

Stage 1 - Announce project, act like its the big thing, more info to come!

Stage 2 - About a month before project drops appear on all friendly pod casts, streams, and youtube channels to generate hype. Here are the changes we are making. We hear you. It will be different this time. We are “all in”.

Stage 3 - Launch happens, show the flag, see guys its different.

Stage 4 - New project announced, pervious project no longer exists as far as they are concerned.

Stage 5 - About a month before new project drops appear on all friendly pod casts, streams, and youtube channels to generate hype. Here are the changes we are making. We hear you. It will be different this time. We are “all in”. The last project is still on our minds. I know it doesn’t look that way. More to come!

Stage 6 - New project launch happens, show the flag, see guys its different!

Now you just repeat stage 4 to 6 over and over. Watch the sheep jump around swiping project to project because it will be different this time guys. I guess this time they decided to just make a show instead of go onto channels and such. Probably because they saw money going to other pockets and not theirs for views or whatever.

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i dont think the fights are complex enough in this 14 year old version of wow for the MS difference to be that challenging but perhaps ill be proven wrong.

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Thing is, it is not a slight ms change, it is substantial to the fact you had timers on cast bars to show the delay like if you are spamming lightning bolts, wrath etc, for me personally it is not so much as a get used to it problem, I personally don’t like it and if I don’t like it I don’t play it.

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One of the worst raiding guilds on the server demanding the server be merged because they’re struggling to recruit. Name a more iconic duo.

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try posting from a character on the server buddy. Go look at the raiding numbers. you are clueless.

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OK then, apparently this means my point matters more? There’s nothing stopping you guys from transferring off, you just don’t want to pay for it. But demanding that Arugal be merged is like the Olympic committee moving the ski events to a green run because you lot can’t make it down the mountain on a black.

The problems with MoP exist because ToT is a buggy unfixed mess, not because you’re playing on an OCE server.

“i dont think the fights are complex enough in this 14 year old version of wow for the MS difference to be that challenging but perhaps ill be proven wrong.”

I don’t think you get to comment on complexity when you’re still progging 3 months into raid release. You did the last half of the instance on normal on this character this week, like why are you talking about how it will/won’t make a difference, you wouldn’t know.

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this has nothing to do with the difficulty of the content and everything to do with the fact the server is entirely dying. literally look at all the available data points. do you need me to send them to you? The raiding population has dropped by 350 players THIS WEEK, not to mention less than 30 players did arena on horde.

If you are implying you were progging heroics during Christmas and new years you are just self reporting brother. go outside

I used to raid on 2 characters with this being my alt but unfortunately due to the dwindling server numbers that has left me with just one. If you think Arugal is thriving you are blind.

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Again, there’s literally nothing stopping you and all your friends from transferring to the American servers right now. You’re either just broke or stupid. I promise you this, the exact same problems you are describing as being emblematic of a dead server are being felt everywhere right now. 2 of the top 3 raiding guilds (US/EU) in MoP Classic have already announced that they’ve quit due to the lack of patches/communication from Blizzard, far more have quit already/will follow shortly. Class discords are full of “dead game” memes, and I promise you the majority of people in them are not Australian.

The US servers are not the “safe haven” you think they are, the problem is not with OCE, the problem once again is with how MoP Classic is being handled by Blizzard. Your solution is terrible. By pure numbers alone, there are 600 characters MINIMUM who have cleared more content that your 25 man team. Probably another 400 in 10m. You want to force over 1000 characters to play on a substandard connection because you can’t afford/won’t pay to just move your character to a US server RIGHT NOW.

The “go outside” comment is always funny to see from bad players. I raid on one toon, one night for ~2.5 hours a week. You freely admit you used to raid on several, and you’re still doing 2 night raids on your main. You play more than I do, I just don’t suck. Humble yourself.

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The fact you cant bring over more than 50,000 gold with paid transfers is a huge barrier for literally anyone who isn’t broke in the game. If you think not wanting to spend upwards of $400 in order to get access to the ‘massive’ part of the mmo im already paying paying monthly for is unreasonable, then thats all i need to know about you.

”You play more than I do” while you logged on at 8am & 10am on a weekday on MSV & TOT launch to play 14 year old content again & raided all through the holidays :rofl: . Get a job brother, you smell.

You’re spouting about being ‘good’ at MOP classic bro, if you are good at wow, go play retail; mythic is available for you. No one plays wow classic because its difficult and you are a moron if you believe otherwise. The raids are NOT the problem, it is EVERYTHING in the game outside of that.

The US servers have significantly more stable populations than sub 2k raiders. Imagine if you hadve tried to have a normal conversation instead of just saying ‘u suck’ and leaving it there. You’re an idiot.

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The talk reminds me of the Grobbulus purist that stood strong on that hill that it was all that matters before they all went and for some reason found something else to do. Funny how that works.

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6 character transfer is $128, allows for 300,000 gold. For someone freely throwing around “unemployed no-lifer” the maths isn’t in your favor here.

Just to recap our conversation. I’ve called you bad at raiding, and not in a position to demand that the server be merged with the US cluster (not free transfers opened, merged) because you’re struggling to pug people in your 6/13 heroic 2 night clears. Let’s be honest here, going purely by logs available, this is true. Be offended if you want, but it’s true.

You’ve called me a no-lifer unemployed idiot. A fun coping mechanism for you to use, but about as grounded in reality as the tooth fairy. I’m sorry you’ve never heard of the concept of “leave” for 1 day every few months, but that’s a you problem, not mine.

I don’t care about being “good” at classic. I didn’t even comment under this character until you begged for it. You’re desperate to have the entire servers raiding experience hamstrung because you can’t afford to move to the server you want to play on. Don’t say “pugging is too hard” when your raid team sucks. Why would someone want to get locked out of half the instance with you guys, especially if they can’t make the second raid night?

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How about adding oceanic lfg to USA.

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So 2 weeks on and Arugal is under 2k players, server is dead.
My or my teams skill at raiding has nothing to do with the population of the server, you have completely missed the mark because you felt like being an elitist weirdo in a dead version of the game. You are a moron. I’ve decided to play with people I enjoy playing with rather than worry too much about my progression with this character, Is having friends such a difficult concept for you?

I have mentioned the complete lack of player engagement in every activity outside of raids, but you keep diverting back to raids and not full clearing heroic? You have this very weird superiority complex I see a lot in Classic players; go and play retail if you are so good at the game…but you wont do that. Why is your team recruiting if the game is doing so well? Lmao

US cluster has close to 20,000 players, literally more than 10 times the player count of Arugal. I know maths is hard for some people (clearly you based off the xfer remark), but lets use our brains here mate.
Also imagine taking leave to replay MOP Classic, find something valuable in life brother. No one to go on a family holiday with? :rofl:

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I would absolutely disagree. I play a mage, and I have tried playing on some of the other U.S. servers as a mage - and let me tell you, it may say 180ms or 340ms ping, but when you hit fireball, and can go take your daily poop before it starts casting, those numbers lie. Especially when there is constant spikes.

You may think with my rhetoric, that I may be playing on the cheapest plan out there, but no, I get 2ms ping to Aussie Broadband, and have 1000 down, 100 up, so it isn’t my end.

Merging to US servers would be the death of WoW is Australasia.

The problem is that blizzard spreads the player base too thin. Animal Crossing, I mean Midnight just launched, and of course TBC was a fan favourite, and is what brought many back to Classic on this server in the first place. So that is 3 flavours of WoW, and it is a bit of a time intensive game, most people can only find time for 1, so pick and chose.

If i wanted a US server, I would play on a US server. Moving the server would kill it.

Already I feel the vibe was somewhat killed by making it PVE.

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It’s painful watching you try to formulate an argument. It’s like you forget I can read everything in the thread.

“The number of players seems to be dwindling and even finding a pug or two to fill in is turning out to be an impossible task.” - Your guildie Greeko, thread OP
”i dont think the fights are complex enough in this 14 year old version of wow for the MS difference to be that challenging but perhaps ill be proven wrong.” - You

“but you keep diverting back to raids and not full clearing heroic?” - You
”yOu hAvE cOmPlEtElY mIsSeD tHe mArK” - You

I get it, you’re so angry at me that you’re just selectively forgetting things you’ve said and what was written in the first message of this thread, so as to not have to address the fact that you talking about “the fights aren’t complex enough” when you can’t even do them isn’t used against you. I’m just going to move on from this now, you’re either deliberately pretending you’ve not said these things or you’re just having a tantrum because you didn’t think you’d get called out on it. Either way it’s pathetic.

Your other main point is content outside of raids. Here you genuinely have a point. It’s brutal doing them on Arugal. What I don’t get is why you keep pointing out the ever falling numbers of players on Arugal, but somehow ignore the fact that the same thing (at a slightly slower rate) is happening on the US cluster too. I tried bringing this up, talking about the wider issues with MoP across the board, that OCE didn’t just decide as a region that MoP sucked and everywhere else is doing great. Like bro, yeah US has more players, but they’re all quitting too. Why do you keep pretending that this isn’t happening?

I’m pointing out that you’ve identified the ship you’re on has a bunch of holes and is leaking water, but the ship you’re trying to jump to is just a bigger ship with the same bloody holes. A server merge fixes the issue for what, 6 months? Then you’re just back at square one.

“you are just self reporting brother. go outside”
”Get a job brother, you smell.”
”You are a moron”
”find something valuable in life brother. No one to go on a family holiday with? :rofl:”

I’ll say this once. You are here because you are trying to play more WoW. You have so many characters it would cost you $400 to transfer them all. You want to raid on multiple, but can’t find the groups to do so. In the same breath, you are accusing a total stranger who you already know plays far less than you do, that they need to leave the house more, touch grass, get a job, find something valuable in life, blah blah blah. Do you have any idea how hilarious and ironic this is to watch? The king of the basement dwellers yelling that people in the basement are losers. I’ll steal one last quote to really ram it home for you;

You are just self reporting brother. go outside