I know the Light’s teachings, I’m bombarded with it as part of my class experience, that’s what I’m trying to say.
Failures in the sense that he didn’t get what he wanted from them. He has a very Me-Centric view of the universe.
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Erevien???
People stop responding to you because you go off on these wild, angryboi rants. You ignore facts for headcanon that you will defend with even crazier accusations. You act entirely unhinged and incapable of accepting when you’re simply wrong.
People stop responding to you because you are Blue Erevien.
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Can I note that the Maw having been specifically created by the Eternal Ones means it shouldn’t have been a deserved fate of anyone anyway?
That is probably the most confusing part of this entire thing, why would they think it’s okay to throw souls into the Maw when the Maw isn’t a part of the First One’s design in the first place?
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You mean Erevien was hit with one of these?
The Maw was originally created ONLY to house the threats to the Shadowlands, it was never meant to be a place where irredeemable souls go.
I feel as if the Maw was originally sort of more like a cosmic shredding machine where souls unwilling to repent were cast down to be destroyed so that they might still contribute to the good of the whole.
You were never meant to be there forever, suffering slowly.
No kidding:
Why was it Ok for the Primus to invent a magic that is destructively powered by souls, in a place where nothing was supposed to be lost?
From there, why was it ok to literally enslave their own “brother”, and mortal souls “to punish” him (Zovaal)?
Really; psycho Primus forged souls into a hidden blade so he could tell someone in the future that there was a problem with Zovaal. And those souls got killed, in the Shadowlands, so they’re really dead.
Aren’t we still limited to it being created to house Zovaal? I don’t think we’ve ever been given a history of it doing anything before that.
Wasn’t it Grimoire that said the Maw was a landmass of bone dragged from somewhere?
Nothing is supposed to be lost in the Shadowlands, losing souls is a Domination created problem, not a natural thing there.
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The base design of Oribos itself seems to be made to be able to drop souls into the maw.
Well you have to have something to do with souls which flat out refuse to change and are a danger to their fellow souls despite being given every chance at rehabilitation. The most sensible solution is to either simply destroy them, or else wipe them clean and let them reincarnate as a mortal again and hope next go around is better.
Need time for that. Shadowlands is eternity. There is no meaning to refusing when there is literally forever.
Nothing so far is positing reincarnation outside Ardenweald’s role.
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I think, from what I remember, the different broken up land masses were once Zorvall’s original Kingdom and pieces of scraps that he just pulled in with his chains. There’s a lot we don’t know about the Shadowlands yet. The Ancient War in the Shadowlands, where a Void Lord/Old God attacked Bastion and was defeated and thrown into the Maw. The Incursion the Burning Legion made into Maldraxxus, the Primus hiding lore about the Void from everyone, even the Necrolords, which is why Sargeras tried to invade. Apparently , Sargeras at some point fought a war against the Light and won, possibly with the help of Denathrius and that’s why the Light attacked Revendreth.
So much lore yet to be uncovered.
You are then positing what could be eternal punishment for temporal crimes.
…and I really hate the lack of any rebirth mechanic. I will refrain from my soap box on how there isn’t a cycle of Life and Death as Shadowlands is presented. Life gives and Death takes…and that’s all.
The landmass was another, minor realm which Zovval drug into the Maw to form a staging ground for his army. That is why its supposed to look so scorched; it “burnt” as if it was an atmospheric entry.
Before Zovval broke free it was just Torgast sitting in an empty void.
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They cut what was going to be in the Maw lore drops before it went live 
Who knows the intent now (if there’s any).
With an upcoming Xpac announcement I’m doubting we’ll actually get answers in the story.
I’m not defending what Blizzard has done with this idea. It’s horrible.
They’ve also made souls a physicality which can lose mass: idiotic.
Souls, a power source with no greater being behind them: idiotic.
Robots as unaccountable rulers: WTF.
I just detest this entire idea.
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And imagine how much of it will ever likely be fleshed out and explored! It’s hard, because True Nothingness is an alien concept indeed. Thank God the writers spent all their time giving us scenes of Anduin and Sylvanas instead…
it depends on what is next tbh, Shadowlands was supposed to follow the pattern of a big expansion a’la Legion but with the pandemic and the lawsuit a lot of stuff got cut. It really depends on what the next expansion is. If the next expansion is Life related as people are speculating, it being Dragon Isles, it’s going to be a filler expansion like WoD and BFA, The Light vs Void expansion is going to be the real lore dump but that might not happen for another 4 years at least.
I sorta imagine their spooky seventh force is True Nothingness. Even the Void contains something, its a roiling cauldron of potentials and self contradicting dreams and ‘what-if’
Did it?
The Horde was defeated and scattered, but didn’t Doomhammer remain Warchief until he was killed at Hammerfall? And wasn’t Thrall appointed as his successor? One might argue the Horde lost the Amani, Goblins, and Ogres, but I don’t think it ever really disbanded.
Nah. Following the hordes defeat at blackrock mountain, Ner’zhul took over as “warchief” of what clans remained. Aka, clans that were never imprisoned in the camps. After he fled Draenor and the Dragonmaw clan was defeated at Grim Batol, the Horde was officially disbanded. It is why the Horde Thrall formed was called “The New Horde”.
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The thing is, Doomhammer was taken captive to Capital City in Lordaeron, held as the Warchief of the Horde. Terenas had plans/hopes to forge a treaty with Doomhammer, although Doomhammer did manage to escape.
Ner’zhul might have gathered the remnants of the Horde and continued that legacy, but at no point was Doomhammer stripped of his rank.
That is why, when Doomhammer was dying, he bestowed his hammer, armor, and the title of Warchief on Thrall. In effect, Doomhammer was the Warchief of the Horde of the Second war, and he appointed Thrall as his successor. Ner’zhul was as illegitimate a Warchief as Rend Blackhand.
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I guess it depends on who you ask. I assume that the Alliance would’ve considered the Horde forcefully disbanded after the second war. I mean, I would’ve. What was Doomhammer Warchief of? A bunch of defeated Orcs literally too lethargic to move out of their own filth?
I was under the impression that Thrall took the Orcs who all had their clan heritage destroyed both by the foundation of the Horde and the Alliance and took that defeated generation and just formed the New Horde. To me there was always that dichotomy of New Horde vs Old Horde aka Dark Horde. The survivors of the Old Horde that holed up in Blackrock mountain inherited the Old Horde but the New Horde was an explicitly different entity from the old organization even though it uses the same structure and name. I know Saurfang didn’t see it that way, but not every Orc considered it that way. I don’t think Thrall saw his Horde as an extension of the old entity, I think it was always a rebirth.
I mean this has always raised a lot of contention in the past among the playerbase and I dunno if it was ever resolved. It would make the Horde culpable for everything they committed in its name from the first to second wars.
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