I’m really happy (and surprised) to see so many people against arena, even though I do enjoy it. I think when TBC launches if it includes arena it would be best to only have 5v5 arenas, definitely no less than that. Maybe even 10v10, but may want slightly larger arenas.
People claim that arenas brought a lot of negative balance changes to the game, and IMO Blizzard never achieved anything close to balance for low man PVP. Arena was always one of those things that you could never bring just any spec to, there are always several specs that just perform too well in there. The game felt like it was meant for larger group vs. group PVP than just 2v2 and 3v3, and even 5v5. Some classes are too strong in low man PVP, but larger scale PVP helps put everyone on a more equal playfield.
Arena always had an emphasis on rewarding those who played certain classes and specs, and no game should ever play that way.
In the end it still comes down to what Blizzard decides. Blizzard has listened to stupid player ideas, but they have also trashed good ones because it doesn’t follow their vision or w/e the most recent excuse is.
Blizzard is capable of building a good Classic+, if people actually stick to what made Classic great. TBC was not great, it was fun, but it wasn’t good for Warcraft and I simply reference Nightime’s post.
We have one opportunity here to get Classic+. We may never have this opportunity again, and if we go down the TBC road we may never get it. We got Classic, now we should be decisive and work hard toward Classic+ - a good Classic+. Not go down the road to retail.
Since it’s Classic, they don’t need to recreate the same expansion by the book. They can make some modifications (eliminate flying, no easy summon to dungeons, no catch-up gear, etc.) to deviate from the former TBC content.
This truly captures the spirit of Classic since there are small modifications all over the place.
If they update Classic to BC–thereby taking it away from everyone who wanted original Classic, not BC–why would you trust they wouldn’t update it to BFA in ten years?
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You seem to be under the impression an ad hominem is an argument.
That does not suggest a powerful brain. Just so you know.
IIRC, the main argument is it will split the player base into even smaller groups: those who want to stay in Classic and those who played Classic but want to play in TBC.
If Blizzard does go for TBC, and goes the route of separate servers, people will then have to decide whether or not to split their time yet again. And time will be the deciding factor for a lot of people: how much time they have devoted to their existing characters, how much time they have to start new ones, and whether or not they want to drop the former to do the latter.
I’m genuinely confused. If ZG was a catch-up raid, why would you ever need to run MC (unless you wanted something for sentimental value or whatever)? Same goes for any catch-up raids that would come after.
That’s what I’m asking, like I said initially it’s a genuine question. What it comes down to is that people are either required or not required to run the old raids. If they need the loot from the old raids to be able to enter newer raids, then you haven’t really solved the problem I described initially. I’m just not sure what everyone envisions when they propose no “resets”.
Subjectively, you could also throw in the de-emphasis on big battles (open world/battlegrounds), which in my opinion are more suited to an RPG set in the Warcraft world.
Have you heard of Thunderfury, Blessed Blade of the Windseeker, that starts in MC, beyond that it was still fun to run when Nax was out. It itself was still a catch up mechanic, in a sense, because it could be down more frequently than raids now. The amount of people required for raids compared to the amount of loot dropped, also helped to keep raid content relevant.
The catch up mechanics people are referring to from vanilla was/is (i believe) Dire Maul; which is coming in phase 2. Which gave great gear and practically had you raid ready.