Are these arena tier lists correct?!

Every lobby at relevant mmr is mostly ranged or mixed atm. Melee are a minority at high mmr.

You have the most self peels in the entire game with your toolkit.

On the rare event you do get some triple melee lobby on ruins of lorderon you will probably be fine if you just have long gate going cart to cart and have well timed axe toss/howl/amp curse/freedom port usage and making sure not to overlap your wall with healer save.

You’ve been mostly right but dead wrong here.

He states the lobby is DK, War, WW playing ln Demo Lock unless both healers are hpals or top tier rsham you’re :100: cooked.

3-3 is generous. The only guaranteedish wins are with the DK, the rest is hell on earth

Rsham sucks at healing warlock. A warlock does not want to load into a lobby with an “top tier rsham” in it. Are we playing the same game?

Yeah this lobby isn’t completely terrible. You can kill the warrior pretty fast with the dk on your team and can kill the dk pretty easily with the warr or ww on your team. Most shuffles atm have an hpal in them aswell which makes you live forever here.

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It was an rdruid and mw on a small map. Was really rough.

demo f tier buff demo

lmfao ya i absolutely hate healing warlocks on my rsham. they all want to kite when tbh i can just outheal the dmg if they are aware of totems like at all

Arms needs to be C tier
Other than that good

I’ve been under the impression monk is like a solid middle of the pack melee dps.

Nah arms warrior is actually fine rn

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Overall i agree, but the thing is the rogue population is far lower than other classes. It is mostly made up of dedicated masochists who love to get tortured by blizzard. So the ones that have stuck it out and are exceptional, make the class/spec look beyond god tier. Meanwhile the average rogue is quite trash and not capable of pushing the class to S tier.

Nothing feels more fun than watching other mains argue about who is mid or A-S when you are a DH main and know it’s trash, have a tangible chart that can be cited in this very post that says it’s trash, and even here, DH gets very little mention. Dh needs a full rework on Aldrachi, a 20% single target buff, and defensive buffs

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You can’t be serious.

And what exactly is Blizzard doing to torture them? They’re the class with the most training wheels and safety nets

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Rogues are in a pretty terrible spot.

The class is bloated and cumbersome and yes, if you look up class pop at max rank Rogues are consistently one of the bottom two least played classes.

Rogue at 2400+ is number 7 out of 13.

Already you’re wrong there.

Oh I very much agree they have way too much in their kit.

I actually truly can’t remember the last time this could have possibly applied.

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Sometime in wrath? No
Cata? No
MoP? No
WoD? No
Legion maybe, I didn’t play enough of it to know.
BFA? No
SL? No
DF? No

Didn’t bother mentioning BC for obvious reasons.

counter argument:
let’s have a meme season where tanks are DPS and DPS are tanks and healers are actual brawl bots

I’m trying to think of a time where Rogue has had to make it work in the past decade and it’s just not coming to me. Maybe I’m memory holing a bad season or something but it can’t have been that bad if Rogue wasn’t top tier.

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Blood DK, WW, and Fistweaver. I think we are already there :dracthyr_nervous_animated: