I mean.
All they are really doing is acting out a persona and keeping an audience engaged
Color commentators, actors, motivational speakers, stand up comedians, radio hosts
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That’s the thing, a community response is what it is. And if it’s terrible, that’s something the studio has to address regardless of anyone believing it to be warranted or not.
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Mmmm I dunno I think that to some degree Blizz does deserve a gold star for having the courage to take a risk and try something new, which a lot of people really have been asking for! I mean it sorta belly flopped but there’s something to be said for trying!
The “grateful” part can easily get miscommunicated, though. 
I mean, it basically was almost randomly released. A pirate logo on the track doesn’t mean anything, and anybody who started building ideas in their head of what they should’ve gotten in 10.2.6 was literally preparing themselves to be disappointed.
Blizzard said next to nothing to anybody about this mode.
I don’t know how much Blizzard realistically has to address with this, though. How do you tell people “sorry you formed preconceptions of what this was going to be before we put anything out and are upset that we tried something different?” Is there any nice way to frame that?
I think people don’t get the idea of “damned if you do, damned if you don’t” and just apply it happily to Blizzard without thinking of the consequences.
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There’s quite a few out there that got me to laugh when they’re like “omg this is perfect, this is what the pvp community needed!” and I’m like really? A clunky battle royal is all the PvP community needed?
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Those preconceptions were formed based on messaging. Most prominent was including this patch in with Dragonflight when it’s not even the same game.
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I’m not gonna lie – I find you doing something like this being absolutely over the top and ridiculous and it furthers my original thought I said in the other thread that some of you all are acting absolutely absurd.
You didn’t like the fact someone took your post and put it on Twitter. Meanwhile you’ll go to someone who has made something of himself like a job being able stream video games, and try to say that Blizzard inviting them to something, is somehow means of them being dishonest about their thoughts on something, with zero backing for such a claim.
That’s disgusting behavior honestly.
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Which messaging? Literally just a pirate logo, or did I miss something else?
There’s not really much to discuss there, though. It’s a secondary mode within the framework of WoW. It released during Dragonflight. Do you want Blizzard to try to build an entirely separate cluster of forums, CMs and such for an experimental mode?
streamers like asmongold have a pretty good insight on the game OP. plunderstorm is a good choice for people looking for something different.
People wouldn’t be bothered by plunderstorm if WoW itself was in a good place. People have long lists of things they’re unhappy with, and Blizzard’s staff seem totally unconcerned with fixing any of it.
And before you get into “the people who would fix WoW didn’t work on plunderstorm”, let’s not forget this little gem:
This wasn’t just one team at Blizzard that worked on this. It was a tremendous amount of effort between all of us here.
Just think what “a tremendous amount of effort between all of us here” could do to fix World of Warcraft. If the staff at Blizzard suddenly woke up one morning and actually gave a damn, that is.
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They’re saying this because they don’t want to be kicked off Blizzard’s streamer list.
It gives them revenue when Blizzard themselves link to their channel.
They are essentially taking a bribe from Blizzard to say Plunderstorm is good.
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What I believe is ideal is not completely abandoning expectations management. That was never going to end well no matter what they ultimately released. That it was a different game and PVP on top of it only caused a greater issue.
That and there was no reason for the secrecy at all here to begin with.
Interesting take. Here is my response which I believe is optimal:
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You know that’s false. The fact there is cosmetics/pets/mounts is all anyone needs to “bother” with a new mode. Makes no difference what state WoW is in.
Not really they did it to Preach during the whole sexual harassment thing and he quit them…he did more than ok, even being able to move out of his den and getting an actual office… They actually approached him to come back…
I’m not saying that Blizzard is completely beyond reproach, not at all. I have plenty of grievances with both past and current design decisions myself.
At the same time, people like to go to extremes.
We have no idea what that means, to be fair. I’m not in the dark on issues people have with WoW’s current state, but we currently have no idea how much development time (if any) this ate. We already know we’re getting a Fated season, and if their intended new timeline for the next few expansions holds we’re not seeing another Fated season for a bit.
I can’t really agree or disagree because of how volatile this playerbase’s responses are to things. Blizzard trying to get out ahead of itself to tell players they’re adding a temporary experimental Battle Royale mode might’ve honestly been worse.
Past a certain point, expectations management tends to literally become trying to put out fires that you don’t even know exist. You cannot prevent people from generating hype around things they can’t even qualify as being developed, but spilling the beans early could very possibly have generated a larger net negative reaction.
The proper term I should have been using was conflict of interests. This is an objective thing and not a personal opinion I have. Taking money, or the possibility of money as is this case and then reviewing a product creates such a conflict. The actual intent of any streamer to bend their opinions or not need not enter into it at all.
Put another way, every streamer on the guest list is a compensated reviewer whether they intended to be or not.
All this really means is to take what they say with a grain of salt, which anyone should already do anyway.
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In addition to what everyone else is saying remember that to a streamer controversy equals views. I just don’t bother with them one way or another.
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They were never in touch to begin with. Most streamers are rich by nature, and the rich never understand anything other than themselves.
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some like it, some dont…just like pet battles.
Had a player in our one of our paper RPGs tell me years back that he hated combat lmao.
So I added more puzzle solving and Role PLaying specifically for him. The rest of the group didnt like so much of that. lol.
Blizzard cant make everyone happy with every detail. I dont expect them to.
What I do expect is for them to stop that hokey lame “we have no idea what fun means” molasses legs/one shot kill crap before I do finally go find another game to play
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The vast majority of people who stream still rely on some form of income and do not make enough money strictly through streaming to actually make a living doing it.
A small percentage of the very visible and known ones are able to make a living doing streaming.
It’s much like trying to jump into pro sports. You might be good, even great, but that doesn’t mean you’ll make a living doing it.
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