At the end of the day parses don’t really mean much. They are easily manipulated (I can OT an add then switch to cat for the remainder of a fight and the DPS will go towards tanking) and definitely don’t tell the whole story. Some fights I can look extremely useless on paper, like Firemaw for example. My job as an OT is to run in every 30 seconds or so and taunt, tanking him for about 7 seconds then running out and repeating. Since tank parses are also based on dps essentially you can imagine the parse isn’t good unless you are MT. It also doesn’t factor that while i’m waiting there i throw out heals to dps, innervate our paladin and B rez someone that needs it. Just have fun and don’t worry about it.
2 Likes
yes, unless for some reason it didn’t pick up your dmg. which i dont think is likely because you can see overall raid dps start at 45. i assume your raid leader is letting tanks pick up adds and you are using a killzone so in this case, you and other dps are sorta standing there doing nothing for a bit.
That was exactly the case. Well… this was our first full guild run of MC, the guild is fairly new. Half the people were used to a stack and interrupt cycle strategy, and the core group had a kill zone. So a bunch of people opened up early but the tanks kept saying stop dps stop dps stop dps why are you still dpsing we haven’t moved it yet. You don’t start DPS until the mob is in that corner over there. So I waited what felt like forever (45 seconds apparently lol) and once the mob was in the corner I opened.
It also explains the delay in the middle there. After the first one was dead I waited until the 2nd one was in place as requested.
yes you’re going about this the right way. you’re analyzing and being introspective…since youve just started raiding and your tanks are fresh with gear and agro generation, definitely go easy on yourself for now, your parses aren’t going to be great for some time.
This is the correct path.
me and some friends were going over our parses just last night as well. We were all confused at exactly what generated a good parse and why, on paper, I generally looked bad. This gave me some decent perspective on what to look for but I would also appreciate some advice if available. https://classic.warcraftlogs.com/reports/YAmd9xKjR4gHrwtM/
also, apparently there aren’t many Ret paladins getting to Nef if my friend scored in 445 with no estimate on placement? I find that pretty funny to believe.
1 Like
You will find that when you greatly outgear your fellow raid team, as you do, it drastically drops your ilvl parse %.
This is because the fights take longer than they would if you were raiding with people geared similarly to you, and your cooldowns have less uptime as compared to the duration of the fight. Also you probably have to throttle your own dps a little since you outgear the tank also.
You are likely just fine in your rotation… you’ll see a big difference as the rest of your raid catches up to you in gear.
1 Like
looking at vael, look at your crit rate vs pampered…pampered popped reck on broodlord and you didn’t…im not a warrior not going to see much myself
That makes a lot of sense too. I was raiding back when Classic first dropped and one day out of the blue our GM disbanded the guild (not long after he got both bindings), and so for… 3 months? 4 months? I didn’t raid at all, and didn’t play much. IRL had taken over, work got busier etc.
With this guild I was standing around SW one day and they noticed me unguilded and asked if I wanted to come. I told them I can’t commit to a schedule because of work blah blah, but they liked that I was already geared and asked me to just tag along. So I did. They’re not a bad group of folks, but definitely on the lesser geared side.
1 Like
I have gone through the same thing and seen the same trends. Sometimes gray parses, sometimes purple, sometimes orange. It correlates a lot to how the rest of the raid is doing with raw dps (also your guild strategies… sometimes they don’t lend themselves to max dps).
You’re not bad, but parses only tell part of the story.
You’re weighted against everyone who logs. Most of them roll with full world buffs and consumes. If you don’t, it doesn’t matter how good you are, you’ll parse low.
Your guild makes a huge difference too. If your guild is slow at clearing (not a bad thing), your DPS will be lower too because your cooldowns will be up for a smaller percentage of the fight.
Parses are fun but I wouldn’t get too wrapped up in them. A better judgement for success is how well you’re doing against those in your own guild. Clearly, you’re doing ok.
2 Likes
Ya my parses on Geddon and shazz are terrible because the top guilds just pop all CDs right off the bat and burn him down in 30 seconds. We have only the range attack him until after he does his first teleport.
And geddon we run in and out of the AoE
Being competetive on parses can also get really expensive and take a lot of extra time prepping for raids. If you don’t have the time to farm gold or collect a bunch of world buffs before the raid, you will have a hard time being super competetive and end up running yourself poor on consumes 
I’m always more conservative when it comes to major CDs like Reck. I find that I wind up pulling too much threat when I do it and best benefit is during execute phase. So on shorter fights I just ignore it so it’ll be up if we run into trouble later down the line.
I probably should be a bit more lenient on its use but its not uncommon enough for me to have to pick up mobs and blow shield wall to save a fight. Reck, retal, and SW all share a CD of 30m so its partially my own paranoia. I do need more raw crit but I’m struggling to find anything in current phase that I could swap out. Maybe its time to just go spam 3 man arena runs and pray for the impossible SGC drop.
I’m not sure what your crit is, but vael for example looks like a “bad parse”. if your actual crti is vastly under your crit rate…you can easily toss the parse out as “unlucky”
the same should be done if your actual crit rate is much higher than your crit rate…that’s a “bad parse” too even though it may rank super high. we all have lucky and unlucky results based on crit rng.
looking at it a bit more i don’t see Pampered having used Reck in that fight. Regardless my Flurry uptime was very low. Looking at actual crits during that fight:
Execute - 17.6%
melee - 20%
Bloodthirst - 16.7%
Cleave - 16.7%
Heroic strike - 0%
so yeah there is some pretty bad luck on my part there since my crit rate is over 25% unbuffed. Of course there are also multiple times where my threat meter was telling me I was too close so I had to cancel attack.
On the topic of comparative gear of me vs pampered. Him being human vs me NE does have swing since he also can use Flameguard Gauntlets and I have to use Edgemaster’s. I also forgot to change back from my Ony cloak before raid but that is a minor detail too. Comparative STR stats I have 159 vs his 226 which makes it sound like there is a major gap in total attack power.
I mean, for melee not really, that’s a common misconception.
If youre grabbing Dm buffs. Maybe an extra hour or so prep if you cant just buy them for 5g from someone.
For consumes, if youre going pretty much full sweaty youd grab mongoose, juju str buff, roids/assay and 5ish juju ap/elixir and 3ish elemental stones. That’s around 40-50g in buffs, but you should make about 35g in looted gold clearing Bwl.
You could strike the elem stones for dense and juju for giants and save 30ish G and come out ahead even.
Tldr, buffs are cheap. Use them
You can just hope for RNG, my best rag parse only has shadow power and greater arcane for consumables, only has ony buff, and its far higher than other fights where I had more world buffs and a flask.
Had I been better about always getting full buffs and flasks, that parse would have been even higher, but your basically doing the exact same thing every single fight, so unless its you getting gear, you can have parses vary wildly based on how many crits you roll, especially since most fights are pretty fast right now, which makes variance higher, since a fight thats 10 minutes long will prob reflect your actual stats, while a 1 minute fight could see you getting incredibly lucky RNG for a short window, but if that window is most of the fight, then grats on your parse.
My Sbolt crit rate for that fight was 31.6%, thats a statistical anomaly, not something you can do every week.
This data also relies on raid clear times/wipes. Consumes get astronomically more expensive if your guild is wiping multiple times. But yes, the only really expensive consumes are mongoose and ele sharp stones.
I have been pushing a lot of pvp trying to get rank 10 shoulders/legs. I have just been slowly losing gold and starting to get broke from enchanting upgrades and buying mats for consumes. Once I am done grinding rank I will have a lot more time to farm some gold. Right now I am just having to be pretty selective on what consumes to use and when to use them lol.
Which is actually less likely to happen if everyone uses even minimal consumes. But yea, the real losers are the guys tryharding in non-tryhard raids and blowing 15g on consumes every fight.