Man I leave you all alone for a few minutes and I come back to
So wives are now the fact checkers of the universe. But wives have cooties, and I don’t want one of those. Now what am I supposed to do. I’ll never know the truth again.
Well, we could always adopt a good doggo. They are best and know all. 
I need someone to draw me a tiny chibi moonkin with a fire extinguisher for Forum Reasons.
That’s actually nothing close to what I said. I clearly stated not everyone sees things the same way.
I followed that up with that I feel for people that are genuinely offended by it.
I offered a measured take that not everyone sees things the same way and all you could do was attack me for not taking your opinion as the sole valid opinion. You’re not in charge, you don’t get to tell everyone else what they think or how they feel. People make their own choices and a lot of the time there is nuance to it.
Could probably a pic of a cute one online hun
Removing the framing you used, about how we’re jumping to conclusions, sure does give a different impression than what you actually said.
And while I’ve never done that, you very much came in here with an authoratative tone and stance. We’re jumping to conclusions, because wife felt differently.
Hell, the first half of your post reaks of it. I mean, let’s not forget this line either.
The complaints about the all-white lore team were specifically about the poor handling of the racial stereotypes the devs chose to include in their own game. Rather than address that, you waved it off. “You’re just blaming all bad writing on their skin color”, so to speak.
Assuming that everyone, especially people of color, agrees with the take that the book is a racist hatebook is exactly the definition of jumping to a conclusion. That’s not me taking an authoritative tone, that’s me stating a fact because my wife is a person of color and she liked it.
There are people blaming the fact that the authors are white as a reasoning for this happening when there are minorities that could make the same mistakes in their writing. That’s just a fact. Being a minority doesn’t mean you are incapable of writing something that won’t offend another minority.
People in general have different levels of sensitivity to microaggressions like you find littered about the book. It is a sad thing, but a lot of people learn to tune it out, as that is a lot less mentally distressing than looking at it head on.
There is no down side to adding diversity to the writing teams. It can only add richness to the final product, and allow for the company to have more comfort in having insulation from being accused of this sort of stuff, which with a team whiter than a ghost they needlessly set themselves up for.
ABK is often its own worst enemy through simple negligence.
Them not accurately implementing irl mythology doesn’t make it incorrect. It means they’ve used it for inspiration and have made it their own thing and thus aren’t obligated to copy it in completely.
No one is defending racism. Some people just understand when to separate real life from video games.
I agree that they should have more diversity, but just saying it’s because all the authors are white like this couldn’t have happened if the team had diversity on it is a fallacy. The Star Wars story team is ran by Pablo Hidalgo, but that didn’t stop John Boyega from feeling his character was poorly handled.
Which isn’t something i did, and you know you’re stretching here. I’d ask you to find a single instance where a single person claimed to speak for everyone, but we both know that’s a strawman you created.
But the other end of this, we have had people (you among them) telling us that we’re wrong, we’re jumping to conclusions, there is no real racism here.
Yes. You’re taking an authoratative tone.
There are people claiming that a lack of diversity is why issues like this run ramant. If you honestly think having representation would result in no net change, then I don’t know what to say to you. That is such an out of touch take, I just can’t.
If they are going to take from IRL mythologies and cultures, they are 100% obliagated to not only get it right but treat them with the respect they deserve.
You can not take from a real world culture and the myths therein and than expect us to seperate fantasy from the real world. That’s just flat out crazy talk
The more diverse your team is, the better it can combat the scourge of implicit bias. You do not know when implicit bias is showing in your works normally; by its nature you are normally blind to it.
When you have an all white team, you introduce an environment where those biases are far less likely to be seen, because the entire team is far more likely to have internalized them over their lifetimes. It isn’t foolproof, but neither is a bullet proof vest—If I know I am going to likely get shot at, I’ll take the vest, thanks.
I actually never addressed you to begin with, I didn’t interact with you until you mocked the fact my wife didn’t have issue with the book. Can see pretty clearly from your and Micah’s tone that you just assumed my wife was some white suburban lady. My post was directed towards wading through 300+ posts of people saying this had to be racist.
I didn’t say there would be no change, that is you putting words in my mouth. I said using the excuse that this only happened cause the authors were white isn’t the holy grail solution that some seem to think it is. Minorities write items that offend other minorities, it happens, that is a fact of life. Sometimes they do it purposefully, sometimes they do it because they don’t have the same triggers and are unaware what they are saying might generate a negative response.
They definitely aren’t. They have the right to pick and choose pieces and to mold it into their own thing. It’s something they and other universes have done for ages. They are allowed their own creative liberties.
They most certainly are.
For the Elder Scrolls specifically, they caught on to the fact that some of their world building was insensitive early on and continuously re-evaluate their lore with each new installment and new ESO expansions and DLC.
For instance, Ebonarm was ditched early on presumably because of racial issues (and possibly because of issues with him having been created by an unpaid contributor) and “Blackmoor” was retconned to “Greymoor” to avoid similarities with an offensive word.
Exactly. And promptly telling those people they were jumping to conclusions.
And literally nobody but you presented it as such. People have said if they had a more diverse team, problems like this might not happen.
And you had to misrepresent those people just to say they were wrong.
There is a very fine line between creative expression and perpetuating harmful tropes. If WoTC can admit D&D is riddled with racist Tropes and lay out a plan to cleanly work towards solving them, so can ABK with it’s Warcraft Franchise.
Whole heartedly agree. The problem is I don’t see how even a diverse group can save World of Warcraft from the triggers it has built into it for different people. Blizzard built a world based on a race war, a race war in which they culturally appropriated many things for the races that they built in the game. It’s definitely more of a problem on the Horde side as many of the races they appropriated from such as Native Americans and Jamaicans… it’s just so blatantly obvious.