We already explained that.
Mounts and Titles are not unique customization options for your character like a whole weapon type or a shapeshift form.
How many times do we have to say that?
And don’t get me wrong: I’m fine with adding recolors and letting the originals still be locked… but you know, they’ve yet to announce a new flail.
We’ll have to see what they do. When they offered a fel-bear it really changed everything to me, if they’re going to do that, well, come on now… may as well do a recolour of all of them then.
Wouldn’t care at all.
That’s because there is Glad, AOTC and KM every expansion and in some cases every season. If someone misses out on that stuff they can just get the next shiny thing blizzard makes for it. MT is different, it offers customization that is diverse by spec and is something that hasn’t been made again since Legion. Probably the most upsetting thing about this whole MT TW debacle is that instead of making a new mage tower for different classes they decided to just reuse the mage tower fights. Imagine a modern mage tower that depicts the scourge invasions happening on azeroth and you have to take down one of the generals by yourself much like how the mage tower of legion worked.
Rhay,
I agree 100%… IMO, the toxic part is all of the people who are foaming at the mouth right now over not having “just pixels” as they put it…
These appearances (like the other things mentioned multiple times… challenges sets, pvp stuff, promotional stuff etc) are cool rewards that blizz put out for the current content at the time with a well known end date…
Everyone who didn’t get them for any reason is not an evil ploy by blizzard to suck the only fun/enjoyment from the game (some of y’all are acting like not having a pixel is a life/death situation)….
Get over it.
The likely result of all the salt is blizz not doing anything cool in the future because of the tantrums being shown here and other threads…(the famous screaming meme when trump got elected comes to mind)…
The reality is that you all need to move on from this and we need to be thanking blizzard for bringing back an old feature that will be tuned to the current game with new rewards for everyone to acquire (if they do choose to get them)…. We should be encouraging the devs to keep making content like this for cool and new rewards……
Well I don’t endorse eliminating challenges - I endorse more of them. They should have had BFA and SL equivalents (Torghast hardly counts here).
Torghast is just a rehash of Visions now anyways with box of many things. I don’t count it as challenging nor fun. It’s the classic the more time you invest into it the easier it is and that’s not really fun for me. that’s just a time pyramid.
Visions I guess kinda counted maybe - I forgot about that - that was tied to getting actual gear (kinda ugly gear in my opinion). I don’t know, the MT had a certain charm to it - you built it, got your shards to buy a ticket in and could just try, die, try, die, try…swear, die… swear, try again and again until you got it. And the reward was - especially for druids - evergreen, always awesome.
Yeah, more of that please.
I’m still waiting for people to tell me why these challenges absolutely must be a limited time challenge, and why they can’t be left in the game for people to do at some point later.
Other than, you know, the fact Blizz class/mechanics designers suck and they can’t keep a consistent play experience.
That’s the part they should really work on, that way, they could have left the original Mage Tower in the game and Joe Schmoe who joined after Legion could still go to the MT and undertake the challenges everybody else did and earn those special rewards that you love so much.
I was never against the challenges to begin with, I just don’t like how content is removed from the game purely because their class/mechanics designers suck.
I disagree for the reasons I have clearly expressed above.
Visions was mandatory though, when I think of Mage tower and similar challenge modes I think purely optional and purely for the own players fun and enjoyment.
Yes, that’s an excellent point, no power was attached to it, it was strictly cosmetic. Which was great! I mean, the casual pve person that does largely solo stuff has very few options at a shot at something truly unique - in fact, that would be the only instance in 17 years of wow possibly. More of it, not less.
The MT was hardly casual, lol. Solo != casual.
It featured challenge on par with higher raid tiers, and required at least some raid gear to even think about actually winning those fights from the various things I’ve read.
Not that I ever had a chance to do it, because of RL obligations and stuff.
I did it in casual gear - before the raid in November. Wasn’t easy, I had to slog it - I had the wrong legendary for both cat and bear - but I stuck with it, died countless times before I got it.
It’s one of the things in this game I’m really proud of accomplishing and one of my best memories finally beating it.
So more solo challenges, and it wouldn’t be a challenge if it wasn’t hard, that just makes it all the sweeter when you do get it.
This is why the time-locking is bad.
It’s a challenge, you’re meant to do it over and over again until you win, oh but wait, you have a time limit or it’s GONE FOREVER.
I wish people would understand that people have RL obligations and stuff like that, that they don’t want to grind buttloads of nethershards to keep trying over and over again and do nothing but play WoW 24/7 trying to unlock this special little shiny that’s gone forever if they don’t do it within a certain timeframe.
It’s just not good game design.
It would have been fine, if it wasn’t limited time challenge. Then you could work at it here-and-there when you have the time/energy to.
But just yoinking it out of the game, regardless of any new players or the slew of people who were trying for it but just didn’t have enough time because of some stupid arbitrary thing like the developers going “nope, we’re gonna remove this so you can’t keep trying for it” just plain feels bad.
Well to retroactively reneg on it would be bad. It was marketed as such, and in good faith, I and others, relied on that to get it done on time.
I don’t think time-limited items are terrible, or evil, I don’t think people are being punished because somebody earned something distinctive in an expansion they paid for, subbed to and played. I worked downtown at the time, I was gone from home 11 hours a day with the commute - weekends I had to clean the house - I had precious little spare time. I did what I had to do.
I don’t want them to start removing opportunities for unique items - I would like to see more time-locked solo type challenge items - people like to say it’s bad - I feel it’s healthy.
I know it feels bad for you - and if they had offered similar challenges in BFA and SL - if Torghast had a solo challenge (that didn’t take 18 hours) that offered maw themed skins - people would be working on that.
I think more opportunities for cool, groovey items is good.
As for MT - they did too good of a job making them distinctive, they are so distinctive that before the announcement, the only way to get a bipedal bear was in a tower locked in the past. That’s not right. So, I’m for them giving recolours of those original rewards (all of them) for people that do the MT 2.0.
I don’t really see value in anything “rare” TBH, I don’t believe I own anything special like that.
Honestly what others have doesn’t detract from the value of anything I enjoy or might have wanted, and I’ve never gotten anything from fear of missing out on it. I also never bought into that whole Disney vault thing with movies, but I know people who have.
Honestly I have all the mage tower appearances I’d want. Funny thing is I was considering a fresh start account. You know, starting all over with nothing just to see if it gave me that “classic” feel.
But I never will because I cant obtain things I have on this account.
Personally I just dont understand why they’d bring the mage tower back if they didn’t want to bring the rewards back with it. Just feels like a weird tease. Would much rather see them tie more value to current content, like Torghast or something that feels like it has very little.
I have no problem with anything exclusive I have being put back into the game in some way. In fact, I whole-heartedly encourage it.
Exclusivity has anti-value to me. It feels wrong (to me) to be using/wearing things that aren’t available to others to obtain and my desire to not see things removed comes from that, not my selfish desire to have stuff (not that I don’t have those desires, they just aren’t what drives my passion on this subject … it’s not like I’m ever going to run out of things to collect as it is)
The only proof of my position I can provide is that I strongly protested the brutosaur being removed despite having already obtained one by the time it was discovered that it was going away. (at least it theoretically still exists in the black market auction house, which actually almost earns it a pass from me)
What you’re saying makes no sense if we take it apart, you say you don’t have a problem with it being exclusive, if it’s put back in the game. Well the only truly exclusive items are those that are time-locked, that you cannot just go farm for. So putting them back removes the exclusivity.
And again, people say pixels shouldn’t matter and why do they matter - well at least I’m honest, they matter to me. Many claiming they don’t matter or shouldn’t - say so because they very much matter to that person, which is, of course, hypocritical.
…totally kewl; 'cuz I still have mine, and you getting one too doesn’t affect me in the least.
People also aren’t taking into account that they really don’t OWN these pixels anyways, not like a real physical collectible, they’re only rented from Blizzard. This cannot be compared to a real-world collectible in any way, because it ISN’T real.
If WoW were to shut down tomorrow, all those “exclusive time-limited” items would just go up in smoke.