Anyone else just, really bored now?

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They’re literally bending over backwards to invalidate the Horde, almost some like some weird Azeorth-level gas-lighting.

Lmao, something this game has NEVER been good at, and has always been one of their shortcomings. Yes, let’s all hold hands, picnic in Stormwind, and run errands for Alleria and Arator. Let’s not acknowledge the times the factions actually DID unite and it WAS epic, was after they browbeat the crap out of each other.

Single-faction storytelling has never been Blizzard’s forte; and if this expansion has shown anything, they’re actually really terrible at it. I know you’re a well-known troll on the Story Forums, but this type of writing isn’t going to survive multiple more expansions. People are already sick of it and playing other games now and we’re not even half way through the trilogy. Long-running friends of mine are abandoning the franchise, just like Shadowlands.

You can giggle, move the goal-posts, and offer hyperbole all you want. It doesn’t change the fact people are really not into this plot or mode of storytelling.

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I think, and this is just me, but I think the people unhappy with Midnight and leaving, have been miserable for a long long time and were just looking for a reason to actually quit. Midnight just made it easier

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This has literally been the type of writing since at least Shadowlands! The factions have been for the most part non-existent for the greater part of 4 expansions and our factions have also for the most part been helping each other.

Reclamation of Gilneas/the Draenei and their relationship with the Man’ari/Baine and his little adventure with the Taurens not to mention the biggest of them, Amirdrassil. Everything has been neutral content and the only exclusive content has been the heritage questlines, which isn’t really faction tied per say and tied to your race.

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I think this is a pretty reasonable take. I didn’t really feel that way, myself, though. I got really into crafting and still raiding in TWW. Yeah, the plot beats weren’t the “best” at the time, but I still liked Alleria and Xal’atath. I still basically do, there’s just an element of too much overexposure, personally.

But, as I said before, I was MOST excited for Midnight. I guess I saw TWW as sort of getting my palate ready for Midnight. And while The Last Titan sounded kind of cool, I was less excited for it than Midnight, just because the vast majority of my Horde characters have been Blood Elves since TBC.

Then Midnight hit and… Well, in some ways, I think I took the let-down personally. :rofl: That’s my fault for being so psyched for it, though. Most of my Blizzard “good-will” has been gone for a while now, but I was hopeful that Midnight would leave enough fumes in the tank to get me by; and now I’m walking to the gas station with a plastic gas tank.

You’re not wrong, Z. I’m just positing that fatigue of that same formula since Dragonflight is really starting to set in for some people. I’ve known they were planning to do this for years - the breaking down of the faction walls, the more “universal” plot beats.

The problem is the execution. These people writing these universal Horde and Alliance vs Bad are not good at their job, and half the time the writing comes off as condescending WHILE somehow being at a middle school fanfiction level.

I think they could have transitioned into a more universal “players vs bads”, if they actually had writers with the gumption to make that premise exciting and interesting.

They don’t, though, so players are stuck with this Temu theater-kid melodrama.

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Like it or not, that was always the story, the Alliance were the flawed good guys that did make mistakes and the Horde the bad guys who kept making terrible mistakes. Now that the Horde isn’t the bad guys they are literally Alliance-lite.

Oh please, the two side were given different versions just to confuse each other and prey upon people’s hatred of the other factions. And what do we have to show for it when the dust settles? The Elven reunification because neither side was going to win and ultimately both side were going to end up having to move on from their hate, because those who didn’t ended up as nothing more then pawns of the Dominaar.

The dirty secret of the factions, is they were always more similar then they ever were different. That if not for the elemental powers that be they would/should have united a long time ago/never been at war to begin with.

If you want more faction division expect the Horde to get villain batted again, because honestly I dont think Alliance fans want the villain batted. I certainly don’t.

We have literally won every expansion because we “united”. That has ALWAYS been how we managed to keep winning.

Whether it be againt C’thun or the Lich King or Deathwing.

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Not a villian bat but I do miss when we had actually morally grey situations like Stormheim for example.

Alliance does also need more characters like Genn Greymane, Ivar Bloodfang and Sky Admiral Rodgers

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There’s a reason MoP’s faction conflict was well loved (the Horde was not comically evil, it was VERY consistent and hammered on that no one liked Garrosh, not even most of his own people and you actually got to see the Alliance doing morally wrong crap like in the Purge of Dalaran) versus BFA being so utterly despised in its handling of the faction conflict (the Horde as an entity was comically evil and character assassinated into the Shadowlands while the Alliance was more pure then snow.)

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Many people HATED it, especially considering the Horde was villain batted.

Considering Vereesa gets a literal slap on the wrist and we get to kill the Blood elf ghosts again, I don’t think the devs considering it morally wrong/considered it for what it was, a morally gray event.

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It is explicitly described as Vereesa indiscriminately massacring all the blood elves she could find due to blaming them all for Garrosh’s actions, she herself recognizes that she and the Silver Covenant will be greeted as traitors and murderers and goes out of her way to gather what atonement she can.

I have never seen any hate for the MoP Faction Conflict, especially in comparison to Battle for Azeroth.

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Vereesa Windrunner says: I am not here seeking forgiveness. Silvermoon is under attack. I intend to defend it.

Ultimately while I think she does think she didn’t do enough/had some blame, I ultimately think she doesn’t care about forgivess/seeks it. And even if she was, she got a literal slap on the wrist commensurate to how much I think the devs blames her for the events.

So yeah, it is all water under the bridge because I think the devs don’t blame her for it/ultimately blames Garrosh/the Horde for the event.

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Well… its resolution was pretty horrible, and I certainly know a lot of people who hated it at the time. Not that there was much room for a resolution that wouldn’t have been hated, after the setup. If you start the story with nukes, you better have a better idea of how to deescalate than the leaders just going “ok, last chance, guys!”. So, judging with knowledge of the end, it was pretty bad for many.

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Before we are able to make amends with the living, we must lay the dead to rest.

Years ago, I purged Dalaran of all elves allied with the Horde. I blamed them for the actions of the warchief at the time that resulted in the death of my husband. Now, years later, those ghosts still haunt me. Will you put them to rest and gather their remains? I’ll perform some small atonement by bringing these remains to Silvermoon. They deserve to be returned home.

I have allowed them to torment my people for too long. I bear that guilt as well.

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Again, I think she does blame herself ABIT, but I also think she blame the Horde much more for it. And considering all of Azeroth did learn the Sunreavers did help Garrosh, the Sunreavers did share in the guilt.

Ultimately as long as she got a slap on the wrist, I am fine with it. Let it be water under the bridge.

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Did the flower vendors and the innkeepers and the blacksmiths and so on help Garrosh? A single Sunreaver agent helped him, without Aethas or the rest’s knowledge; and the Sunreavers hated him as much as they did Jaina.

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As per Chronicles, it was not a single Sunreaver. And that is the problem. plenty of Sunreavers did help Garrosh. No one knew who was helping Garrosh and who wasn’t. Instead of Aethas purging his followers of Garrosh loyalist especially after the Theramore debacle, he did nothing.

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Chronicles is not Word of God, but an in-universe PoV; meaning it is inaccurate.

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And yet it is above whatever ingame lore is, so unless you can find proof it was only one Sunreaver, then your narrative is false.

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War Crimes places culpability for the theft of the Divine Bell on a lone agent.

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New lore has always trumped old lore. And more importantly even then the wording on Warcrimes does not mean only one Sunreaver betrayed the neutrality. Only that that particular Sunreaver was the one who managed to break the magical wards.

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I would agree that new lore > old lore, but Chronicles is not the definitive Word of God, but an in-universe point of view.

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