The titans are not our friends, any more than the Naaru or any of the other Powers are.
Powers don’t have friends, they have interests. Sometimes they align with ours, as the Titans did with ours in Legion.
But we absolutely have to be ready for the day when they don’t.
You’re right…it was Azeroths influence
Personally I see that as the biggest weakness with the " cosmic forces" narrative.
Usually you really have to contrive a reason for what they are doing. They might not be space gods but lower stake stories tend to feel a lot more impactful.
The defias, scarlet crusade, even the scourge felt like more interesting forces then the concept of order…
It’s almost like there’s an entire flight of time dragons allowing us to keep seeing things as they used to be. Nobody is holding a gun to your head and forcing you to go back there, if you want Dalaran to stay crashed and broken just leave Legion and Wrath and Timewalking alone.
Precisely this. There’s exactly one titan on our team and that’s Azeroth herself, and even that has the potential to change (e.g. her waking up fully might destroy the planet, Marvel Celestial-style, at which point our survival will depend on keeping her asleep.) ALL the other ones have their own agenda(s).
Am I the only one who doesn’t give an f* about “titans” or “void gods” and all that crap, make new and actual interesting characters and villains, “woo woo I’m Wow Void Galactus x100 me bad you must stop me or all is lost”, “hurr hurr me Titan me creator me exist”.
Sigh…
They’re trying to do a thing where they aren’t necessarily evil, but they aren’t necessarily on your side either, but rather just avatars of the order realm ala shadowlands and order doesn’t necessarily like free will.
They originally made life, they it was retconned so they made the earthen/titanwatchers but organic life was just the ‘curse of flesh’ from the old gods, though that doesn’t really explain why there’s life on draenor or other planets, or why there’s a separate life realm etc.
Yeah it’s funny because you can just make human and orc characters that are more interesting. This is all lazy dragon ball Z style writing where there’s the next big cosmic baddie with a higher power level. You don’t need that to have a compelling story, just good character writing. Smaller stakes is better in most cases. Legion was a sugar rush but largely ruined the warcraft universe by making things too cosmic in scale and fighting things that should be beyond the power of mortals to fight. The titans were always better as a mysterious cosmic force that was beyond mortal comprehension.
Also can’t believe players are actually asking for them to sunset old expansion content. They would love destiny 2. So much content lost to time.
Exactly. Now they’re just 1 mob that will get soloed in the following expansion lol.
Were you around in Vanilla and Wrath when we were fighting Old Gods? That ship didn’t just sail, it circumnavigated the globe, brought back spices, and got stripped for parts.
Highly weakened mostly contained old gods. But that was probably also a mistake.
Titan apologist!
And the Titans we faced so far (Aggramar and Argus) were ALSO highly weakened, due to actively resisting being ravaged by Fel. We have not yet faced any Titan or Old God at full strength.
N’zoth was at full strength. Aggramar was not weakened.
We had help with him too, via the Heart Chamber and a buttload of Azerite. Plus he’s canonically the weakest one.
The titans literally ripped old gods out of the side of a planet. We should not be able to touch them at all.
He absolutely was. Sargeras corrupted his soul and stuffed it into an artificial body. We weren’t fighting his true form.
We haven’t touched any of them yet.
This is the biggest blunder with tww. The sheer amount of propaganda and “uhhh le titans bad” after weliterally fought side by side with them, we exist because of them and yet our characters just believe these earthen that somehow have thwir identity crisis now.
Its plain stupid and that premise alone is enougj to ruin tww for me. You could show the titans pov (which we alreqdy know as theyve tried to remake the planet multiple times) but nooo, they have to shoehorn just stupid queatlines telling us “THE REAL TRUTH” about the titans.
Feels rushed a f.
It’s because basing plots around saving the universe as a whole are, ironically, hard to relate to despite their absolute scale. At this point they feel generic and impersonal. Whereas the revamped Westfall storyline has aged very well into the modern era and I feel invested in it because it’s a realistic conflict (corrupt nobility oppressing the poor) that pops up all the time in the real world.
In fact I feel so invested in that story that I even feel somewhat conflicted that I’m not entirely on the right side. I wish that when the NPC says “the poor are being arrayed against us, we need to fortify and put them down” you had a dialogue option that said “you DO know why these people are angry, right?”