We’ll see
And if you level now in vanilla classic it a solo player game.
It did kill an important social aspect that used to be there, but it seems the pro-rdf’ers refuse to acknowledge it. WoW after RDF was introduced stopped being the same. Someone said, “Vanilla, TBC & LK were an experience; Cata through SL are videogames”.
They violate the CoC:
Don’t get me wrong, the same goes for the anti-RDF ones.
If you can’t have a conversation without having to walk from a meeting stone to the entrance, that’s on you
I can’t acknowledge something that was never there.
I’ve played wow since 2006. PUG Dungeons were never this social experience people try to claim. In Vanilla, BC, and 1st half of wrath you’d spamin chat for the dungeon you were looking for, get whispers consisting of little more than “I’ll go” or “invite”, you’d go to the dungeon, do the dungeon, then leave. A extremely rare occasion someone would actually strike up a conversation, but for the vast majority of dungeon runs, people weren’t trying to socialize. They were trying to get their dungeon runs and go. When RDF was added to Wrath, the only thing that changed was the need to spam in chat for an indefinite period of time for the dungeon you wanted.
Sure in Vanilla you could blacklist people for being ninja’s in pugs, but server communities were also the smallest in the history of the game, so it could be done to at least some extent.
Socializing, in wow has always almost exclusively existed within friend groups and guilds. Anyone who says otherwise is either, lying, misinformed, or trying to sell you something.
I don’t know about the “almost exclusively” part, we don’t have access to that data on a larger scale. Now, going as far as saying “Anyone who says otherwise”, that varies on how sociable every person is.
I like to chat, and I used to do that more often prior to RDF, and I’m pretty sure I’m not the only one out there. We don’t know exactly how many. One thing that I’ve noticed, is that people discredit others when they don’t agree, like those last lines I’ve quoted.
There’s a difference between social interaction and befriending everyone; “I’ll go” and “invite” are social interactions, we as species are social ones, and even that little amount of social interaction can make a difference for some people.
Well here is the kicker. WoW isn’t the only game that has a RDF. WoW is the only place where you’ll hear people say “RDF killed the social aspect of the game.” or “RDF killed the game.” etc. etc. If RDF was that detrimental to the social aspect of MMOs or games in general, no other game would have implemented them. The fact that other games did and you don’t hear them saying those things, pretty much proves RDF did not kill the social aspect of WoW and did not hurt WoW.
Well, I haven’t played all the games out there, but the few I’ve played with a similar mechanic have always had it, from day one unlike WoW (I don’t know anything about FFXIV though). We aren’t talking about other games, or the genre in general. It doesn’t prove anything related to WoW. No other game has had 11.5mil subscribers without a similar system, has there?
It feels it took away some important social aspect of the game for some people that played WoW. Kris said that they think adding RDF wouldn’t be healthy for the community, why did he say that if it didn’t hurt the community somehow?
Edit: I don’t agree when people say that it killed WoW, just to be clear.
Naw, we get to play this one too. As well as any future expansions.
Such juicy lack of self awareness in this line lol
Let’s see some.
Can confidently say there’s at least one Garmuck thread for every new anti RDF thread on these forums.
Have you tried joining a group via LFG?
You’re ignoring the fact that blizzard is not releasing features patch by patch in classic, but on launch.
RDF didn’t come out until around the Argent Crusade very late into the expansion. So Wrathers had both experiences.
" Added in 2009 as part of the last major content patch for the original Wrath of the Lich King expansion, the Dungeon Finder made it so players no longer needed to look for groups manually or travel to dungeons directly."
Because the no RDF realms would be dead. Like actually dead and not fake dead.
That quote is nowhere in the source I provided and not in the source he provided either. He’ll ignore this and just go back to flailing his arms about yelling how RDF wasn’t in the game at the beginning of Wrath.
Sounds like you’re either a sad person or trying to pretend that people don’t talk to each other in game.
that only assumes its the same person creating those multiple threads, it does NOT violate the CoC when the originators of the posts are from different accounts.
Idk, guild banks didn’t launch with tbcc.
So theres proof you are wrong.
Bro what compromise. Blizz makes the decisions not us. I get you wanna vent but you are yelling at people who have opinions but no power