When you grasp the difference between facts and opinions, one day hit me up.
Facts - they have multiple specs that are good accross pve / pvp
Again, you havenât named a single spec though there are a few (prot warrior and prot paladin being key ones) but every pvp/pve deep holy build and wreck build has points in prot - so the tree is a âsupport treeâ.
Mage has a snare, frost nova, and an infinite slow with cone of cold.
Iâve done countless hours of AoE pulling on a mage. Itâs not difficult. Neither are.
Mage has blink, and more ways to control mobs.
I said hunters as ranged can do it easier. I didnât say it was impossible for others. There were mages soloing BFD bosses at 25 for example. Were you complaining about that?
Ah I understand now. Youâre bad at the game.
I am only level 19 but I plan on going Frost for PVE. Frostfire seems promising with Ignite + Ice Shards (if you donât mind spamming one spell). You also get Cold Snap which resets cooldown of Icy Veins so it doesnât seem too bad! I could be wrong tho, bc it is all theory and I havenât tested it.
I am sorry my friend, I have tested it, and itâs one of the weakest and under-preforming specs. I hoped that having more talents would help Frost but it isnât just the worst by a little. It is THE lowest damage spec in the game. It has lower damage than ALL of the tank specs and is beaten by good resto druids that are just casting DPS spells in their downtime and is significantly worse DPS than Arcane Healer.
Yeah, you are wrong. Itâs not good and itâs all been tested.
Maybe when we get Deep Freeze we can make it work.
prob they are allowing fire atm to be fun because at 60 everyone will have to go frost so frost prob start poppin off later
yeah Frost mages seem so forgotten right now that I feel seen as a ShamanâŚ
(And weâre JUST now getting Earth Shield fixed.)
This is neither confirmed or even rumored to be true at this point.
âMage has a snare, frost nova, and an infinite slow with cone of cold.â
- You must be within 9-12 yards for these and one resist will ruin it, The hunter canât resist and instead is 30-40 yards for the hunter, the hunter wins.
âIâve done countless hours of AoE pulling on a mage. Itâs not difficult. Neither are.â
- Link you doing SM: Cath on a mage in SoD, itâs not difficult like you say should be fine to pull off with no effort.
âMage has blink, and more ways to control mobs.â
- Hunter doesnât even need to blink they can stand still in the safe spot and pull with pet never having to move at all, itâs completely idiot-proof.
âI said hunters as ranged can do it easier. I didnât say it was impossible for others. There were mages soloing BFD bosses at 25 for example. Were you complaining about that?â
- Any ranged class could solo the first boss in BFD and none of the other bosses, it was discovered by a warlock player. Do you want to burn your lockout for a boss with almost no decent gear at all? You are missing the point and donât understand how spells and normal melee hits interact with higher-level mobs. They literally cannot do damage to red mobs and will die. Hunters are the only ones that can because of ranged autos unique interaction with hit. All spells will resist and spell casters will die. Again, hunters are the ONLY ONES that can farm red and skull-level mobs.
âAh I understand now. Youâre bad at the game.â
- You barely understand how your class functions, you donât understand ranged hit mechanics, and you say every AoE pull is easy for mage. Please post your reverse ZG 72 pull or your mara 250+ pull from era, how about even the WC SoD pull or SM: Cath?
Sub is so negligible that it wasnât even posted Kekw.
Maybe they could fix warriors before they give mages 3 specs that top the meters?
People will go arcane DPS, frost will never be used Iâm itâs current state it does less DPS than every tank spec.
The fact is one spec/class will be the highest DPS and one class/spec will be the lowest DPS that is how rnked lists work.
Having said that, doesnât it make sense that the more Utility your spec/class has that benefits survivability the lower DPS you will do in return? Frost mages have slows on a bunch of their spells, can freeze mobs in place, polymorph, etc⌠in other words lots of utility so that is going to drop them down on the list.
Now do they deserve to be at the very bottom? I canât say, but I do know somebody has to.
Mages is the only class broken down into ranking each spec.
Rogues and Warriors arenât showing their other specs.
You wouldnât raid in those specs regardless - no one is going to take a subtly specâd rogue for raid.
Just like you wonât take a fury warrior to a raid. Or a niche build of a class that isnât highly represented like a smite priest, or shockadin.
Itâs ok to be fire and be 2nd dog on top. Heck, now with the hunter nerfs more than likely mage will be top dps in fire spec.
Frost is a pvp spec with a lot of survivability. Not sure how you can keep complaining about a class where you are doing well in 2/3 of your specs while other classes are still struggling just to have 1 decent spec.
I see you have reading comprehension issues. Iâm not complaining about a class, I am specifically addressing a DPS spec doing less damage than all of the tank specs in the game. Iâve addressed the issues they face with PvP as well mostly stemming from mobility creep and burst in SoD making their control much less effective. With high damage, HP values, mobility, in SoD, and Frost mage relying on its baseline Era spells , they have fallen dramatically behind.
Really? Affliction and Demonology Warlocks are so terrible that they are not even included on DPS rankings. There is just âDPS Warlockâ which means Destruction.
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I canât control how warcraft logs divided their data into segments. Maybe itâs worse than frost, I canât speak to that. One thing I do know is NO DPS spec should sit at the worst damage in the game for the entire game.
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Why not? wouldnât that be better then classes bouncing all over the place in terms of which is strongest?
BM hunters are also ranged.