So far in the game she claimed she is abandoned her claims to the throne.
When it comes to Anduin, I meant being able to relate to a degree to the experiences of the original forsaken who were forces to do stuff while being conscious.
Not sure there is much to get out of this story line, just an excuse to get him out of the alliance.
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She still got inserted into the Forsaken narrative even when sheÂŽs the objective antithesis of it.
I rather this doesnÂŽt happen when Blizz writers didnÂŽt had the decency of portraying sympathetically those Forsaken character after TBC. It would be just another bait for the Forsaken proper fandom (I mean their characters can only get portrayed as psychopaths but if the character is a previous Alliance hero THEN itÂŽs A-Ok to portray him as âsympatheticâ? Thanks but no thanks, the only thing IÂŽd accept for Anduin getting forced into the Forsaken story is him getting beaten comically and regularly as the cheap copy of Arthas the devs are trying to convert him into, period.
Personally, I had likened the Sunwell reigniting to being a form of treatment to break drug addiction, but that was back before you could really, er, OD on the light ala lightbound / lightforged. It being another drug fits nowadays, I suppose.
I really hope blood elves donât get any villain bat from a possible âlight badâ expansion; they donât fit the zealotry mold that other light wielders fall under, and itâd look really bad if the game tries to moralize over an addiction that theyâre all biologically born into.
I think Arielâs right and the Sunwell probably should have stayed gone. Or maybe blow it up again. The withdrawal symptoms should supposedly be less severe the next time around, anyway.
Where is KelâThuzad when you need one =\
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Precisely. Everything turns out exactly as he wants, and it allways works out. It becomes monotone, on top of the fact that it homoginizes the faction, since no dissenting opinions are allowed, despite the mountain of reasons why the Alliance should be everything but accepting of the Horde, especially after bfa.
He really is the personification and core of what sucks about Alliance writing. Which is unfortunate, since I liked him before bfa.
Yes I was being a bit glib with the analogy about Jesus curing their addiction. But the underlying implication with the Sunwell being ignited with Mâuruâs core WAS that their magic addiction could be cured with Light.
I agree the Sunwell should have stayed destroyed and they should have just learned to deal with their addiction.
I mean I am no apologist for Blizzardâs godawful writing lately but Lilian Voss was absolutely not part of the Alliance and her story has all about to do with balancing overcoming her trauma with accepting her new life as a Forsaken and trying to move forward to make something positive out of it eventually in BfA+.
Itâs not exactly true that itâs only former Alliance-turned-Forsaken characters that get to be portrayed as sympathetic.
You can also include the entire Desolate Council in this discussion as well, unless youâre going to just keep pushing the time frame back further and further to the literal destruction of Lordaeron as a nation during Warcraft 3. Which, at that point, the distinction fails to matter.
What I think is true is that this perception youâve vocalized is totally an acceptable one to take considering they spent 20 years only writing âForsakenâ lore as âSylvanasâ lore, and she absolutely fits the bill youâve described. But I think it robs some of the more interesting Forsaken of what makes them stand out by just saying, âOh only the former Alliance ones arenât crazy sociopaths.â
Agreed that Anduin should have nothing to do with this though. Theyâve so thoroughly destroyed anything that might have made him interesting (At the time â considering his idealism was an intentional clash with Varianâs cynical warmongering), that I wish theyâd just kill him off.
Iâll be very surprised if Liadrin isnât an antagonist for that arc.
Due to Blizzard loving faction parity, sheâll probably be the Horde version of a Turalyon if they donât make it Calia.
But, being Horde, we would probably get a Silvermoon raid or at least a dungeon about killing fanatic Blood Knights.
Iâm expecting Turalyon, Liadrin, Yrel, and Xeâra to be the main antagonists with Anduin and Calia as the protagonists.
I would prefer that Blizzard develops Horde characters over changing Alliance ones to Horde. Though if Anduin joins the Horde, I feel we would never get villain baited again.
Suffice to stay, Iâm conflicted.
As much as I donât like the âDarth Anduinâ plot point, even I wasnât naive to the point of assuming heâd be freed only at the end of the same patch he was convertedâŠsince the jailer is directly controlling him weâd have to take down the jailer himself to free him.
I disagree. Aside from a handful of exceptions, most Forsaken didnât retain full awareness of their actions while they were being controlled. Sylvanas was an exception in that regard, along with the Death Knights.
The Horde does not have a monopoly on trauma.
To say nothing of the fact that the Forsaken are conceptually reliant on poaching from the Alliance, so overlap is not only inevitable but itâs already there.
Anduins goodbye, Varians compass. Maybe its Anduin goodbye to his father.
This is probably the cut scene after Anduin helps the Jailer get the Primusâ Sigil.
Slyvanas has some words with Anduin, to see if heâs still âin-there.â
This is also shown to be on Korthia, most likely indicating it will be before the actual raid.
Rule 101 of video game design:
do not upgrade models unless a boss fight is bound to happen.
Freeing Anduin, maybe in an UC raid, will be 9.2.
Iâm also hoping that eventually Anduin being freed will involve Varian showing up to give him final closure (it would tie in to the compass having a new model and they had Metzen available to record new lines since heâs doing Thrall in SL as well). Getting really tired of the people maliciously claiming Varianâs soul was obliterated when he was killed because his body was blown up with fel magic, even though youâd THINK characters would make reference to him being perma-destroyed rather than simply dying if that were canon.
It just smacks of malice to me. Sure Volâjin was killed off (too soon and unfairly in my opinion), but he gets to come back and be a loa. Varian still getting to exist as a soul in the afterlife isnât too much to ask to me.
I donât think it is done out of malice as much as a headcanon mistaken for canon, based on Felâs association with using souls for power.
I do think there needs to be clarification. I thought it was explicitly being put in a soul engine that destroyed souls, not just being killed by fel.
If I remember right, spells like Shadowbolt were supposed to damage a victimâs soul directly. And youâd consume them from soul shards to power your stronger stuff, too.